Split: Your Views... Women Wearing Pants

[Guest Maryseblossom]

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First of all, I am not convinced that entertainment is an idol in our society.  I just believe that you can in theory make an idol out of anything, including entertainment.  Yes, Christians will tolerate evil in the name of entertainment, but they will also tolerate evil in other ways.  Christian women will tolerate evil when it comes to how they dress in the name of comfort. 

 

 

Let me issue a challenge to you Nebula.  We can call it a test.  How easy would it be for you to give up wearing pants for an extended period of time?  That is something I look at as a sin, while you see entertainment as a sin.  Women wearing what pertains to a man is something I consider evil, and in addition to that, I believe that many women have made it an idol.  You believe entertainment is an idol for Christians. 

 

 

 

Butero, if wearing pants is evil for a women, how about her going to work?

Because in many jobs that women partake now, it is required to wear pants. Many activities like hiking, wall climbing, skiing, we also need pants.

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[Sevenseas]

Butero, if wearing pants is evil for a women, how about her going to work?

Because in many jobs that women partake now, it is required to wear pants. Many activities like hiking, wall climbing, skiing, we also need pants.

 

 

Well...there are always capri pants...they look like a skirt...right?  

[Guest Maryseblossom]

 

 

And for the record, I don't consider my wearing pants any more evil than my wearing clothes of mixed fabric.

 

Good call Nebula.

[LadyKay]

 

Nope.  Just asks for thoughts...so I guess a little leeway was built into the thread.

 

Well....to go from horror movies to women wearing pants is a lot of leeway if you ask me. LOL

[Guest Butero]

Butero, if wearing pants is evil for a women, how about her going to work?

Because in many jobs that women partake now, it is required to wear pants. Many activities like hiking, wall climbing, skiing, we also need pants.

Most jobs don't actually require women to wear pants.  They may prefer it, but they don't require it.  There was a time where women wore a dress to do most anything.  I don't know if you have ever watched "Little House On The Prairie," but I watched the mother wear a dress working in the fields, and I still see Amish women working outside in a dress.  The original bicycle design, where women's bikes don't have a bar is so they can ride them in a dress or skirt. 

 

In the rare cases where there is no option, I would say it comes under the category of something like a situation where a man might have had to violate the Sabbath to lift an ox out of a pit.  There used to be a woman here that was a welder, and for safety reasons, she had to wear pants at work, but I don't believe women should wear pants in any other situation where it is absolutely necessary. 

 

Lets look at a man in a dress.  I believe that is sinful, and a clear violation of Deuteronomy 22:5, but lets suppose he was in bed and his house caught on fire, and the only clothing item he could get hold of was a dress?  That is better than going naked, so I believe the Lord would understand?  There was a time where I would have said no exceptions, but there is the matter of spirit of the law, and Jesus did speak of the ox in the pit, and David eating the show bread that was unlawful.  He never said those things didn't violate the law, but God didn't condemn anyone in those situations, as well as the Priest doing the required work on the Sabbath day.  There is a pretty good tract on the subject, written by a Baptist minister named Hal Webb, you can read on-line.  I think you can find it by just searching for his name? 

 

Of course, the main point I am making in this thread is that different people look at things as sinful.  When we are convinced something is wrong, we can't understand it when others are blind to it.  Nebula believes entertainment is an idol.  Problem is, I know of at least one thing she enjoys that is entertainment, and that is football, as she is a Ravens fan.  For her sake, I hope entertainment is not an idol. 

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

And for the record, I don't consider my wearing pants any more evil than my wearing clothes of mixed fabric.

 

Good call Nebula.

 

The difference is that the clothes made of mixed fabrics were to show a separation between Israel and the unclean in idolatrous gentile nations, as there were clean and unclean foods.  The law concerning wearing of clothing that pertains to the other gender is a moral law. 

 

Anyway, I know you don't consider your wearing pants sinful, as I don't consider watching horror movies idolatry.  That is my point, but when you are convinced something is sinful, you look at those doing it as in denial, and in some cases, as worshipping idols.  If you were to come to my house wearing jeans, I might be in my movie room watching "The Skeleton Key."  You would look at me and ask yourself, how can he watch a horror movie?  He has to know it is wrong?  I would look at you and ask, "How can any Christian woman wear pants?  She has to know it is wrong?" 

 

I used to have a Pastor who was convicted over secular music.  He used to do programs at church attacking rock music.  He couldn't understand any Christian listening to secular music, and even once made a comment about what he might find on people's car radio if he turned the key?  He embellished things to prove his point, like claiming songs meant things they didn't.  He said "Hotel California," was the church of Satan, and "Calypso" was a song of worship to a false god.  Neither was true.  At the same time, he had no conviction over watching R Rated movies. 

 

There is a lot more I could say on this subject, but it is getting off topic.  The question here is whether or not horror movies are wrong to watch?  As I see it, there is one lone scripture, Phil 4:8 that applies, and it doesn't say it is a sin (transgression of God's laws) if you ever look at anything that isn't good, lovely, just, of a good report, etc.  If it were a sin, there are portions of scripture we shouldn't read, because they speak of things like the judgment.  It is just that if we feed on bad things all the time, it will weaken us, especially if we don't spend time in the Bible.  It would be like Nebula's example of eating chips before running a marathon.  Problem is, some would eat chips before running a marathon, so to make the argument stronger, now all entertainment is idolatry.  If we follow the Nebula test, I would guarantee she would fail it on the pants issue, so I guess that would make her an idolater, and I would struggle with tv, because it is something I enjoy.  Is anything an idol if you can't go without it without a struggle?  You decide? 

[angels4u]

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

 

I don't think we will be watching movies in heaven, or have time for stuff like that. 

 

Kilts, I have no problem with, but regular skirts I do.  One thing that I had a problem with was "Concerned Women For America," and how they were attacking a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt," about a boy who liked to wear skirts.  They said it promoted boys dressing up like girls.  I could just picture these women, sitting around wearing pant suits and jeans attacking a boy wearing a skirt.  In an exert from the book, you have a little girl asking what is wrong with it, since she wears pants, and they couldn't see their own hypocrisy.  I wrote them and said I would support their cause if they stood against women in pants, as well as boys in a skirt.

[angels4u]

 

 

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

 

I don't think we will be watching movies in heaven, or have time for stuff like that. 

 

Kilts, I have no problem with, but regular skirts I do.  One thing that I had a problem with was "Concerned Women For America," and how they were attacking a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt," about a boy who liked to wear skirts.  They said it promoted boys dressing up like girls.  I could just picture these women, sitting around wearing pant suits and jeans attacking a boy wearing a skirt.  In an exert from the book, you have a little girl asking what is wrong with it, since she wears pants, and they couldn't see their own hypocrisy.  I wrote them and said I would support their cause if they stood against women in pants, as well as boys in a skirt.

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

! John3:21in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

 

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, “Look not on his countenance or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him; for the Lord seeth not as man seeth. For man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

[Guest Butero]

 

 

 

 

 

I do want to add one question for Nebula.  You mentioned watching "Big Bang" at your brother's home one day, and not liking it.  I don't care for that show either, but it is probably not much worse than most sitcoms today as far as content goes?  Do you look at your brother as in idolatry for watching shows like that?  Is he worshipping entertainment?  I am just trying to figure out if there is something you are looking for when you determine what constitutes idolatry? 

 

Butero, it is not my intent to point fingers at any particular people; rather, it was a general comment.

 

1. Entertainment is an idol in our society.

 

2. Christians will "tolerate" evil in the name of entertainment (how many murders, acts of sexual immorality, cursing of God, etc., have you entertained yourself with?). We can brush it off as being fake, but I had this challenge come to me myself - are you enjoining in the activity you are watching on screen? Are you particiipatig in evil, just by being a willing observer? Your dollars definitely tell the producers you want more.

 

But how do you know if it's an idol? Well, you can ask the Holy Spirit to search your heart on the matter. A test could be giving the thing up for an extended period of time and see how easy or hard it is (especially when you have to choose not to watch it when you normally would have).

 

it was your first comment I was responding to, where you stated, "Entertainment is an idol in our society."  You made no exceptions, so I felt like I took you in context.  Do you believe that "entertainment is an idol in our society?'

 

"Yes" very many things  in our society these days are idols but there is also good Christian  fun and I believe that Jesus does have a good sense of humour,don't you think there's lots of laughter in heaven? Horror movies to me are  as the word says 'horror' do you think we watch horror movies in heaven or killing or you name it stuff which gives you goose bumps?

 

How about men wearing skirts?

 

I don't think we will be watching movies in heaven, or have time for stuff like that. 

 

Kilts, I have no problem with, but regular skirts I do.  One thing that I had a problem with was "Concerned Women For America," and how they were attacking a book called "Jessie's Dream Skirt," about a boy who liked to wear skirts.  They said it promoted boys dressing up like girls.  I could just picture these women, sitting around wearing pant suits and jeans attacking a boy wearing a skirt.  In an exert from the book, you have a little girl asking what is wrong with it, since she wears pants, and they couldn't see their own hypocrisy.  I wrote them and said I would support their cause if they stood against women in pants, as well as boys in a skirt.

 

How can you have no problem with men wearing kilts and women wearing pants ?

 

! John3:21in whatever our heart condemns us; for God is greater than our heart and knows all things. Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God;and whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do the things that are pleasing in His sight.

 

7 But the Lord said unto Samuel, “Look not on his countenance or on the height of his stature, because I have refused him; for the Lord seeth not as man seeth. For man looketh on the outward appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart.”

 

It is easy.  The kilt is not the same as a skirt.  It is similar, yet different, as coulottes are not the same as shorts.  They are similar, yet different.  I would liken a woman in pants to a man in a dress.  You can see a couple walking down the street, and the man and the woman both wearing a matching sweat shirt and jeans, and nobody thinks anything of it.  Let them be wearing matching dresses and see what kind of looks they get, or let the man have long hair and be wearing a dress and see what happens?  There is a complete double standard here.  How many women would want to be out with a guy in a dress?