Jesus did not start a creedal religion

[Raimi Stranger]

 Jesus offered folks who obey him and Love, not sin any ,ore, teaching from God Himself of all Truth beyond doubting beyond the corruption apparent by division of beliefs in creedal religious tradition of men

  the holy spirit in spirit baptism is not a creed... it is God and incorruptible

 

John 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:7  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

so why not READ the new covenant given to Israel by their prophet Jeremiah -Jer 31:31-34 - God alone teaches those under grace, there is no creed

 

this is why Jesus never had anything written down, it is spirit baptism teaches one what Jesus said

 

Jesus and his few saints never dressed up in robes as Levites because they are not Levites ... so ask yourselves why the priests of Satan dress as Levites when they are not Levites and do not even believe what Levies believe... it is to con folks that they have autrhority as priests although they are ORDAINED BY MEN, sinners still, not ordained by God in spirit baptism...

 

yet without spirit baptism they cannot be priests of God, nor can they be saved, let alone that they reach falsehoods in place of God's teaching by spirit...

 

how does religion cheta billions then? ... by keeping them sinning , as God cannot baptise anyone without their dying to sin, ceasing from iniquity, in water baptism... so religion has fake water baptism too, not requiring one to obey Jesus and Love, stop abusing with sin as is the very first very necessary step toward salvation -2Tim 2:9

 

thus there is divided creedal religion of the many who are destroyed for sin, and there are the saints of God, a royal priesthood [1Pet 2:9-10] without a congregation because all who follow Jesus are saints, no longer sinning so that they can be forgiven by grace

 

obviously no-one can be forgiven if still sinning and anyone still sinning is in in disobedience to God and Jesus , so they cannot expect prayers to be answered by anyone but Satan and cannot be saved without spirit baptism which would show them their mistake of faith in creeds of men, sinners...

 

Colossians 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

so why not listen to Jesus about how to be baptised and become a saint , and learn what scripture menas from God Himself, not from sinners in Levite robes they wear to con you and themselves they are holy becauase men ordain them without spirit baptism to KNOW all Truth from God -John 16:13

[other one]

hummmmm...  a real mouth full    lots to ponder

[other one]

 

hummmmm...  a real mouth full    lots to ponder

 

Not when you consider what he is trying to teach.  He is teaching Universalism, on one hand, but being a member of a special group on another.  His belief system is internally inconsistent.  

 

reminds me of some of the gnostic teaching I studied while delving into all that demonology stuff.  God's telling me things you don't know......  told me some things alright...  things I'd give a lot not to know, but I don't think it was from the Holy Spirit

[Willa]

Since you are from England I suspect you are talking about the Church of England or possibly the Roman Catholic Church when you speak of religion and men in levite robes. I am so sorry you have had a bad experience with them. I probably would not go to those churches either. There may be some true believers among them.

And the creeds normally are taken from the Bible such as in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Phillippeans 2:5-11. They were developed over the centuries because false doctrine is continually creeping into the churches, so men have to search the scriptures to see if these things are so. Then they write down what the Bible says about it. I am so thankful for many of these creeds. The Apostles Creed, the Nicean Creed, and the Athanasian Creed all have much good in them explaining the nature of God and the Holy Trinity.

Our pastor usually wears a button down shirt and blue jeans or slacks. He does wear a suit on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals. He says it is because his wife makes him. Our church asks if people have repented and turned away from their sinful lives, and asked God to forgive them. Then the Holy Spirit comes into them to help them to understand the Bible. Our pastor is Spirit filled and a very good Bible teacher as well. In our church people are only baptized by going under the water, and after they have repented and their lives have been changed. I hope you find a church that embraces your beliefs. But there are also some Spirit filled believers in

those churches that you dislike, because God's church is invisible and consists of all true believers who love Him.

Churches should be hiring and paying poor believers instead of steeling from them. Many churches here, even those that claim to be spirit filled, also take peoples money to get rich. We need God's wisdom to know where and how to give, and also we need to give to God rather than men.

It is good to have a group of believers or some basic creeds to check our beliefs against. Sometimes we misunderstand the Bible and can get onto the wrong track. Then we need to find out what most other born again believers believe to see if how we read the Bible is right. We also need to find out what other parts of the Bible say about the same thing. The Bible explains itself. But if anyone teaches things that are not in the Bible I would not attend that church either, even if they do claim they heard it from the Holy Spirit.

There are many accounts in the Old Testament that tell about the New Covenant. One is the Passover, when the angel of death passed over the first born of those israelites who had put the blood of the Lamb around their doors , but the Angel killed all the Egyptian first born sons. Or the story of Abraham who was promised a son, and then God told him to sacrefice his promised only son on a mountain. He told his son that God will provide a sacrefice, because he believed that if his son had to die, God could even raise him from the dead and still fulfill His promises to Abe. So at the last minute God provided a ram for a sacrefice. So Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world! Praise God.. God made a blood covenant with us. It was ratified with the blood of His own Son on that cross. And he did it for you and me, so that we might have undeserved favor and the forgiveness of sins by relying on Jesus. Then we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus. It is so amazing that God should love us that much. Thank You Jesus.

[kwikphilly]

Hi Raime

     Is there a question in there somewhere or is there something you are trying to say or maybe you are just pondering different thoughts,I am so confused and believe me when I tell you that I do not mean to be condescending or disrespectful to you.....I just cannot make heads or tails of your post?

    Who are these people in Levites robes?Is Mathew,Mark,Luke,John,Paul,James and so on of the NT not written by Jesus(God inspired Word)Jesus is the Word?All religions have FAKE water baptism....what is the real one?Someone sinning can only be heard by Satan?Are you reading THE BIBLE or some other books giving reference to Scriptures?

     Raime,is Jesus your Lord and Savior?Whosoever believes He is Who He is and did what He did and confesses with their mouth that He is their Lord and Savior IS SAVED!!!!That is that,He did it all and He will do the rest FOR THOSE YET IN SIN....He died for us while we were yet in sin(where did you hear no one still sinning can be forgiven?

     Please understand that I am concerned for you because I care,if I did not care about you I wouldn't care what you posted.If you are talking about Catholic priests,Pentecostal Bishops or other Reverends & Ministers of different denominations who choose to wear traditional garments are you lumping them all in one or are you referring to a specific satanic cult?Like I said,I really do care and will pray for you to receive wisdom ,understanding,guidance and direction in the Name of Jesus....and may God bless you

                                                                                                                                        With love,Kwik

Praise the Lord for Willamena!!!!I do pray that you have received the beautiful words of encouragement(& Biblical accuracy)she has taken the time to write you......we do really love you,In Christ!!!

Edited September 5, 2013 by kwikphilly

[Raimi Stranger]

Since you are from England I suspect you are talking about the Church of England or possibly the Roman Catholic Church when you speak of religion and men in levite robes. I am so sorry you have had a bad experience with them. I probably would not go to those churches either. There may be some true believers among them.

And the creeds normally are taken from the Bible such as in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Phillippeans 2:5-11. They were developed over the centuries because false doctrine is continually creeping into the churches, so men have to search the scriptures to see if these things are so. Then they write down what the Bible says about it. I am so thankful for many of these creeds. The Apostles Creed, the Nicean Creed, and the Athanasian Creed all have much good in them explaining the nature of God and the Holy Trinity.

Our pastor usually wears a button down shirt and blue jeans or slacks. He does wear a suit on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals. He says it is because his wife makes him. Our church asks if people have repented and turned away from their sinful lives, and asked God to forgive them. Then the Holy Spirit comes into them to help them to understand the Bible. Our pastor is Spirit filled and a very good Bible teacher as well. In our church people are only baptized by going under the water, and after they have repented and their lives have been changed. I hope you find a church that embraces your beliefs. But there are also some Spirit filled believers in

those churches that you dislike, because God's church is invisible and consists of all true believers who love Him.

Churches should be hiring and paying poor believers instead of steeling from them. Many churches here, even those that claim to be spirit filled, also take peoples money to get rich. We need God's wisdom to know where and how to give, and also we need to give to God rather than men.

It is good to have a group of believers or some basic creeds to check our beliefs against. Sometimes we misunderstand the Bible and can get onto the wrong track. Then we need to find out what most other born again believers believe to see if how we read the Bible is right. We also need to find out what other parts of the Bible say about the same thing. The Bible explains itself. But if anyone teaches things that are not in the Bible I would not attend that church either, even if they do claim they heard it from the Holy Spirit.

There are many accounts in the Old Testament that tell about the New Covenant. One is the Passover, when the angel of death passed over the first born of those israelites who had put the blood of the Lamb around their doors , but the Angel killed all the Egyptian first born sons. Or the story of Abraham who was promised a son, and then God told him to sacrefice his promised only son on a mountain. He told his son that God will provide a sacrefice, because he believed that if his son had to die, God could even raise him from the dead and still fulfill His promises to Abe. So at the last minute God provided a ram for a sacrefice. So Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world! Praise God.. God made a blood covenant with us. It was ratified with the blood of His own Son on that cross. And he did it for you and me, so that we might have undeserved favor and the forgiveness of sins by relying on Jesus. Then we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus. It is so amazing that God should love us that much. Thank You Jesus.

consider this bible evidence , just one example of your deception by your 'pastor'  because he too was decieved :-

 

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

now count the NIGHTS between Friday and Sunday ... there are TWO, not THREE

 

I believe it proves the corruption of creedal religion in your country,  as indeed worldwide -Rev 13:3-4

 

I believe 'Easter' is NEVER mentioned in the original scriptures and is a PAGAN time nothing to do with the death of Jesus Christ at Passover ...

 

I believe there the lie is PROVEN for you from scripture , Satan runs the mass churches of Christianity with lies   ... ALL of them

 

I believe Easter replaces Passover so men pollute Jesus' chosen memorial.... Satan has changed all holy days to unholy ones in his fake creed for sinners ...

 

I believe Jesus said all who are his are to be taught by the holy spirit, NOT taught creeds by MEN...

Edited September 16, 2013 by GoldenEagle
Edits in red.

[Raimi Stranger]

In the early church creeds were merely a mnemonic devises to capsulize the basic essential beliefs held in common. The churches were not based on creeds,,,look at these few examples

 

Clement of Alexandria (CA. 150 – 215), Stromata, Book VII, Chapter 16

“But those who are ready to toil in the most excellent pursuits, will not desist from the search after truth, till they get the demonstration from Scripture themselves.”

 

Tertullian (CA. 155 – 220)

In refuting a heresy of Docetism (denying doctrine of incarnation), Tertullian writes, “But there is no evidence of this, because Scripture says nothing.”  Furthermore, he writes, “If it is nowhere written, then let it fear the woe which impends on all who add or take away from the written word.”

 

Hippolytus (CA. 170 – 236) Against the Heresy of One Noetus

“There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scripture, and from no other source. . . .  Whatever things, then, the Holy Scriptures declare, at these let us look; and whatsoever things they teach, these let us learn; and the Father will our belief to be, let us believe . . . Not according to our own will, nor according to our own mind, nor yet as using violently those things which are given by God, but even as He has chosen to teach them by the Holy Scripture, so let us discern them.”

 

Augustine (354 – 430) On the Good of Widowhood

“What more can I teach you, than what we read in the Apostle?  For holy Scripture setteth a rule to our teaching, that we dare not “be wise more than it behoveth to be wise.”

 

Gregory of Nyssa (394 A.D)

"The generality of men still fluctuate in their opinions about this, which are as erroneous as they are numerous. As for ourselves, if the Gentile philosophy, which deals methodically with all these points, were really adequate for a demonstration, it would certainly be superfluous to add a discussion on the soul to those speculations. But while the latter proceeded, on the subject of the soul, as far in the direction of supposed consequences as the thinker pleased, we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings."

 

Cyril of Jerusalem (450 A.D.)

"This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."

 

The scriptures not the creeds were the basis od what was acceptable belief even up to the 5th century

 

I believe your whole conception is mistaken according to Jesus :-

 

John 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 16:7  Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

I believe Jesus died so that EVERYONE who follows him is taught by God, NOT MEN ...

 

I believe there is no 'acceptable creed'  ,

 

I believe that is what water baptism is for, a ritual to mark when one stops sinning, 'dies' to sin... complete repentance else one would be killed in spirit baptism facing God if one were still a sinner...  God will not usually baptise anyone then until they repent and obey Jesus and Love, no more abusing others....

 

I believe Satan knows this, so in my opinion created so-called "Christianity" using Rome to impose it worldwide by law  [notably Sunday worship to ensure pollution of the Hebrew holy sabbath weekly, the perpetual sign set by God of those who are God's ... ]

 

I believe that many follow the Antichruist Satan as their false "saviour" already... just as Jesus revealed must happen -Rev 13:3-4

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[Sevenseas]

 

 

God's telling me things you don't know

 

 

yeah...but it's from the heart....

[Willa]

Since you are from England I suspect you are talking about the Church of England or possibly the Roman Catholic Church when you speak of religion and men in levite robes. I am so sorry you have had a bad experience with them. I probably would not go to those churches either. There may be some true believers among them.

And the creeds normally are taken from the Bible such as in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 and Phillippeans 2:5-11. They were developed over the centuries because false doctrine is continually creeping into the churches, so men have to search the scriptures to see if these things are so. Then they write down what the Bible says about it. I am so thankful for many of these creeds. The Apostles Creed, the Nicean Creed, and the Athanasian Creed all have much good in them explaining the nature of God and the Holy Trinity.

Our pastor usually wears a button down shirt and blue jeans or slacks. He does wear a suit on Christmas, Easter, weddings and funerals. He says it is because his wife makes him. Our church asks if people have repented and turned away from their sinful lives, and asked God to forgive them. Then the Holy Spirit comes into them to help them to understand the Bible. Our pastor is Spirit filled and a very good Bible teacher as well. In our church people are only baptized by going under the water, and after they have repented and their lives have been changed. I hope you find a church that embraces your beliefs. But there are also some Spirit filled believers in

those churches that you dislike, because God's church is invisible and consists of all true believers who love Him.

Churches should be hiring and paying poor believers instead of steeling from them. Many churches here, even those that claim to be spirit filled, also take peoples money to get rich. We need God's wisdom to know where and how to give, and also we need to give to God rather than men.

It is good to have a group of believers or some basic creeds to check our beliefs against. Sometimes we misunderstand the Bible and can get onto the wrong track. Then we need to find out what most other born again believers believe to see if how we read the Bible is right. We also need to find out what other parts of the Bible say about the same thing. The Bible explains itself. But if anyone teaches things that are not in the Bible I would not attend that church either, even if they do claim they heard it from the Holy Spirit.

There are many accounts in the Old Testament that tell about the New Covenant. One is the Passover, when the angel of death passed over the first born of those israelites who had put the blood of the Lamb around their doors , but the Angel killed all the Egyptian first born sons. Or the story of Abraham who was promised a son, and then God told him to sacrefice his promised only son on a mountain. He told his son that God will provide a sacrefice, because he believed that if his son had to die, God could even raise him from the dead and still fulfill His promises to Abe. So at the last minute God provided a ram for a sacrefice. So Jesus is the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world! Praise God.. God made a blood covenant with us. It was ratified with the blood of His own Son on that cross. And he did it for you and me, so that we might have undeserved favor and the forgiveness of sins by relying on Jesus. Then we receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus. It is so amazing that God should love us that much. Thank You Jesus.

consider this bible evidence , just one example of your deception by your 'pastor'  because he too was decieved :-

 

Jonah 1:17  Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Matthew 12:40  For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

now count the NIGHTS between Friday and Sunday ... there are TWO, not THREE

 

I believe it proves the corruption of creedal religion in your country,  as indeed worldwide -Rev 13:3-4

 

I believe 'Easter' is NEVER mentioned in the original scriptures and is a PAGAN time nothing to do with the death of Jesus Christ at Passover ...

 

I believe there the lie is PROVEN for you from scripture , Satan runs the mass churches of Christianity with lies   ... ALL of them

 

I believe Easter replaces Passover so men pollute Jesus' chosen memorial.... Satan has changed all holy days to unholy ones in his fake creed for sinners ...

 

I believe Jesus said all who are his are to be taught by the holy spirit, NOT taught creeds by MEN...

Some people just repeat what their leader has told them. I don't. My church is not a creedal church. We do not celebrate a mass. I call Passover Easter because it is easier to communicate. We celebrate the day of Resurrection during First Fruits. You are making assumptions not based on knowledge. We are to let no man judge us concerning what days we worship. Col, 2: 16 Romans 14:4-6 Our church believes in worshipping every day. My church only teaches the Bible while reading from the Bible.

I responded to you kindly and desiring to believe the best of you. You need to do the same, instead of making wild accusations. Satan is the accuser of the brethern. You, in fact, do not even know what church I attend let alone what my pastor teaches or believes. I do not just repeat what he says. Is that what you do? Are you just repeating what some leader has told you?

One of the things that cults do is they teach that they are the only ones that are right, that everyone else is wrong, and that they are the only ones going to heaven. Are you in a cult? The things you are saying sound a lot like the beliefs and accusations of a cult. That is why I am asking. Please stop making wild accusations. Rev.12:10 It serves no good purpose. It is just showing your ignorance. Nothing of what you accuse my church of teaching is true. It is all lies. My Pastor and I are both taught by the Holy Spirit. Your lies and your accusations are not from the Holy Spirit. That is why you should question if the people who taught you these things are truly from God. John 8:44

[chloe_fantastic]

Jesus offered folks who obey him and Love, not sin any ,ore, teaching from God Himself of all Truth beyond doubting beyond the corruption apparent by division of beliefs in creedal religious tradition of men

 

Romans 5:8

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

 

1 John 1:8

 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.