Salvation

[Guest]

To Set The Record Straight

 

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

 

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:10-13

 

Jesus Saves

 

The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:35-36

 

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The Bible teaches about two salvations.  One is by the pure love mercy and grace of God in giving everlasting life to His children of promise (the elect).  Effectively making children of men into children of God.  The second is the salvation in the here and now by entering into His kingdom.

 

All of God's children are eternally saved.  Not all of God's children are saved here and now and enter into His kingdom. 

Those children who fail to enter into His kingdom , here and now , will suffer the consequences of being foolish and disobedient children.....namely a stint in hell; missing the marriage supper and the millennial kingdom.  These foolish children will be redeemed at the great white throne of judgement, where they will be judged, not for their faith (they are children of God), but for their works.

 

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

 

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

 

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

 

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:23-28

 

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Here

 

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. John 5:24

 

And

 

And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:15 (ESV)

 

Now

 

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

[OneLight]

The Bible teaches about two salvations.  One is by the pure love mercy and grace of God in giving everlasting life to His children of promise (the elect).  Effectively making children of men into children of God.  The second is the salvation in the here and now by entering into His kingdom.

 

All of God's children are eternally saved.  Not all of God's children are saved here and now and enter into His kingdom. 

 

Those children who fail to enter into His kindgom , here and now , will suffer the consequences of being foolish and disobedient children.....namely a stint in hell; missing the marriage supper and the millennial kingdom.  These foolish children will be redeemed at the great white thone of judgement, where they will be judged, not for their faith (they are children of God), but for their works.

 

Scripture teaches only one salvation, which is through Christ Jesus.  There is no second chance for anyone after death; no purgatory or trying by fire in hell.

Romans 10:8-10

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:27-28

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

[Fez]

I agree we are saved through Christ.   All of God's children have everlasting life and will live in the forever with God.....because Jesus paid the ransom price for all of God's children.....period.

But what is not taught, is that the foolish and disobedient children of God are not worthy to rule and reign with Christ in His kingdom , yet to come.  The foolish and disobedient children will not make the marriage supper nor the millennial kingdom but spend the time from death , through the millennial kingdom.....IN HELL.......waiting for the judgement of their works, not their faith; they are children of God and their names are in the book of life.

And that is basically the difference between the OSAS lie and Eternal Salvation.

[OneLight]

The Bible teaches about two salvations.  One is by the pure love mercy and grace of God in giving everlasting life to His children of promise (the elect).  Effectively making children of men into children of God.  The second is the salvation in the here and now by entering into His kingdom.

 

All of God's children are eternally saved.  Not all of God's children are saved here and now and enter into His kingdom. 

 

Those children who fail to enter into His kindgom , here and now , will suffer the consequences of being foolish and disobedient children.....namely a stint in hell; missing the marriage supper and the millennial kingdom.  These foolish children will be redeemed at the great white thone of judgement, where they will be judged, not for their faith (they are children of God), but for their works.

 

Scripture teaches only one salvation, which is through Christ Jesus.  There is no second chance for anyone after death; no purgatory or trying by fire in hell.

Romans 10:8-10

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:27-28

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

I agree we are saved through Christ.   All of God's children have everlasting life and will live in the forever with God.....because Jesus paid the ransom price for all of God's children.....period.

 

But what is not taught, is that the foolish and disobedient children of God are not worthy to rule and reign with Christ in His kingdom , yet to come.  The foolish and disobedient children will not make the marriage supper nor the millennial kingdom but spend the time from death , through the millennial kingdom.....IN HELL.......waiting for the judgement of their works, not their faith; they are children of God and their names are in the book of life.

 

The Evil One has done a superb job of decieving many of God's children making them feel secure in their foolishness and disobedience.  Heavens sake, just look at the Calvinist and Arminians and there erroneous dogma and doctrines......a little bit of truth mixed with falsehood.  And they have been arguing and bickering over the word of God for centuries.  Where is the Holy Spirit in settling their confusion?  I say......ABSENT, NOT THERE.

You do not provide any scriptural evidence for your theology that they are tested in hell while still being in the Book of Life. Nobody knows who is in the Book of Life, so what you say is just a theory and should be considered as such ... unless you have scripture showing otherwise.

I challenge you to show where purgatory, or any other refining in hell, is scriptural.

[Fez]

 

 

 

 

The Bible teaches about two salvations.  One is by the pure love mercy and grace of God in giving everlasting life to His children of promise (the elect).  Effectively making children of men into children of God.  The second is the salvation in the here and now by entering into His kingdom.

 

All of God's children are eternally saved.  Not all of God's children are saved here and now and enter into His kingdom. 

 

Those children who fail to enter into His kindgom , here and now , will suffer the consequences of being foolish and disobedient children.....namely a stint in hell; missing the marriage supper and the millennial kingdom.  These foolish children will be redeemed at the great white thone of judgement, where they will be judged, not for their faith (they are children of God), but for their works.

 

Scripture teaches only one salvation, which is through Christ Jesus.  There is no second chance for anyone after death; no purgatory or trying by fire in hell.

Romans 10:8-10

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Hebrews 9:27-28

And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

 

I agree we are saved through Christ.   All of God's children have everlasting life and will live in the forever with God.....because Jesus paid the ransom price for all of God's children.....period.

 

But what is not taught, is that the foolish and disobedient children of God are not worthy to rule and reign with Christ in His kingdom , yet to come.  The foolish and disobedient children will not make the marriage supper nor the millennial kingdom but spend the time from death , through the millennial kingdom.....IN HELL.......waiting for the judgement of their works, not their faith; they are children of God and their names are in the book of life.

 

The Evil One has done a superb job of decieving many of God's children making them feel secure in their foolishness and disobedience.  Heavens sake, just look at the Calvinist and Arminians and there erroneous dogma and doctrines......a little bit of truth mixed with falsehood.  And they have been arguing and bickering over the word of God for centuries.  Where is the Holy Spirit in settling their confusion?  I say......ABSENT, NOT THERE.

 

You do not provide any scriptural evidence for your theology that they are tested in hell while still being in the Book of Life. Nobody knows who is in the Book of Life, so what you say is just a theory and should be considered as such ... unless you have scripture showing otherwise.

I challenge you to show where purgatory, or any other refining in hell, is scriptural.

 

I am not going to do a long reply when I agree with OneLight, and I too invite you to provide scripture from the 66 books of the Bible to prove your statement.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings to all,

     Anyone who will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement is in trouble,no man comes to the Father except by the Son(Jesus)as it is written in John14:6.......My brother,OldSaint,some food for thought(all men are Gods creation but are not all His children)I am not sure what you are saying ,if you are speaking on universal salvation...which is one of satans dangerous lies?

    There are plenty of Scriptures given to us in the written Word of God to warn us of eternal damnation in the eternal fires of hell for anyone who is not saved by Grace through faith in our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus...Matt25:46,Matt18:8,2 Thess1:9,Jude7,Jude12:13,1Cor15:1-4,John 5:24,Rev 19:3,Rev 20:10,Luke 3:17 and that is just to name a few.God is not a God of confusion and He never contradicts His own Word

     There are no explicit New Testament references to Christ descending into hell after His death either ,as taught in the "Apostles Creed"(Catholicism)although there is mention in 1 Peter 3:19-20 where Jesus preached to imprisoned spirits?This theology is sometimes what can lend to confusion as to hell(or Hades or Sheol)being a temporary holding place which is contrary to Gods Word.This "story"first appears clearly in the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus(aka-Acts of Pilate)written by Ananais.....

    I am not sure where you are getting the notion of hell being temporary but perhaps this information may be helpful in separating fact from fiction.In my early years I attended Catholic school and these untruths were taught to me,it took many years for me to be"de-briefed"(lol)...I pray you receive this with love,as it is intended

                                                                               With love ,in Christ-Kwik