Nephilum??

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

The claim has been made by many:

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I personally believe they are the offspring of angel/human women."

 

The claim has been made by many:

"they are the offspring of angel/human women."

 

OK, so then that would mean that angels have bodies including male genitalia.  So, with male genitalia, they produce testosterone, and spend eternity itching to use their genitalia & enjoy the chemical rush that comes from the process.  So then, the Lord created beings to dance in the hog trough & be frustrated for eternity.  Moreover, the bodies of angels have matching DNA to permit reproduction with humans, and God made it that way.

 

Moreover, since believers in Heaven are "like angels," then they would be in the same condition, and also cannot marry.   I suppose then that female believers would become male in heaven.  (We don't want to go the eternal pregnancy route with the Mormans).

 

Can you not see that this is absurd?

 

But He created the angels spirits.

 

Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith,

      Who maketh his angels spirits,

    And his ministers a flame of fire:

 

 

 

 

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OK, so then that would mean that angels have bodies including male genitalia.

 

Well they have bodies (See: Abraham/Lot)  Genitalia is inferred from......

 

(Genesis 3: 14-15)

And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

 

satans seed.

 

There is no ref to satan having a body or genitalia in this passage; neither word occurs.

 

As to "seed,"  you may as well argue that the men in John Bapt's day were literally descended from vipers. (O generation of vipers).  Seed cannot be literally seeds that grow plants.  The woman has seed here also; thus it cannot mean sperm here.  And how do you know that the passage does not concern animals specifically snakes?  Is it not absurd to postulate that satan produces sperm from a male body which can reproduce with a human body?  Does it make sense that the Lord created angels to want sex, have the equipment for it, yet be denied, as He made no female angels?  Angels are spirits.

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And this.....

 

(Genesis 6: 1-4):

AND it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.  And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.  There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

 

See it?

 

There is no ref to angels in the verse, nor bodies of angels, nor genitalia of angels.  "Sons of" is a well-established Hebrew figure of speech for persons characterized some way, like "Sons of Destruction" could be persons with behavior that destines them for destruction.  It makes good sense then to find that Sons of God are godly men, who did not maintain sexual separation from Adamic human women, women who acted Adamic instead of godly.  It is absurd to postulate angels reproducing with women.

 

 

they produce testosterone, and spend eternity itching to use their genitalia & enjoy the chemical rush that comes from the process.  So then, the Lord created beings to dance in the hog trough & be frustrated for eternity.  Moreover, the bodies of angels have matching DNA to permit reproduction with humans, and God made it that way.

 

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Moreover.....Jude said they (Bad Angels) shed their Spiritual Bodies to conduct their Mischief:

 

(Jude 1:6) "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

 

Jude says nothing about angels having bodies, neither does the word body occur.  We find  ἀρχὴν = (per BDAG) "7. the sphere of one’s official activity, rule, office, or better domain, sphere of influence  of angels Jd 6.

The word "habitation" οἰκητήριον does not mean body.  ἀγγέλους τε τοὺς μὴ τηρήσαντας τὴν ἑαυτῶν ἀρχὴν ἀλλὰ ἀπολιπόντας τὸ ἴδιον οἰκητήριον =  dwelling, habitation, a term which could be used for body of a spirit, but does not denote that.

 

 

 

Moreover, since believers in Heaven are "like angels," then they would be in the same condition, and also cannot marry.

 

True.....but HE'S speaking of the "GOOD GUY'S" in Heaven.  Not the "Bad Guy's" on Earth....Like Here:

 

(2 Peter 2: 4-5) For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

 

This passage does not mention body or bodies.  Neither does it say that the sin of angels is connected to the Flood.  There are 2 examples given: 1) angels who sinned, & 2) the Flood.

 

 

(Job 4:18) Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly.

Folly defined in Scripture per (Genesis 34:7, Deuteronomy 22:21, Judges 19: 22-23, 2 Samuel 13:10-12) is laying with women, sodomy, and incest.

 

How do you know that Scripture defines folly as lying with women, sodomy, & incest?  Are not those just 3 varieties of many kinds of folly  נבלה ?

Gen 34:  כי נבלה עשה

The same word for folly refers to special thievery or taking forbidden spoil:

‘ It shall be that the one who is taken with the things under the ban shall be burned with fire, he and all that belongs to him, because he has transgressed the covenant of YHWH, and because he  has committed folly in Israel.’”

"this  worthless man, Nabal, for as his name is, so is he.  Nabal is his name and folly is with him;

Nabal was rude to King David.

 

 

But He created the angels spirits.

 

Then you have a real problem with (Abraham/Lot/ Sodom and Gomorrah) Scenario

 

Where is any problem with the Sodom story? Of course angels have made appearances in which they took a human appearance.  People have entertained angels unawares.  Even Malach YHWH has appeared, evidently the pre-incarnate Christ.  Thus the Sodomites thought they were humans; but what does that prove about them having bodies y male equipment?

 

You simply have no proof that angels have bodies, and it is absurd to suppose that God would give angels male genitalia to no use except sexual frustration.

 

 

 

Here this will explain it in more detail:  http://www.worthychristianforums.com/public/style_images/worthy_new/icon_share.png

 

 

Sorry try this one: 

[EnochBethany]

Thanks for the link.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

I am not following that one, what is the problem exactly?

 

 

 

Don't know, you didn't quote anything 

[Sevenseas]

Think it's confusing now?

 

Wait till people get the names Enoch2021 and EnochBethany transposed...might make for interesting reading       

[enoob57]

Think it's confusing now?

 

Wait till people get the names Enoch2021 and EnochBethany transposed...might make for interesting reading  

Knock knock

who's there?

ee knocked

well if ee knocked then there no since in asking who's there

[other one]

cute

[Sevenseas]

 

Think it's confusing now?

 

Wait till people get the names Enoch2021 and EnochBethany transposed...might make for interesting reading  

Knock knock

who's there?

ee knocked

well if ee knocked then there no since in asking who's there

 

 

yes, but we still have the question of which one it was.....  and yes, quite cute

[Diatheosis]

If angels are able to be made perceivable, even sort of material, which perhaps is more backed up by experiences of people who have been saved from life threatening situations by an angel, the fallen ones would maybe too have the knowledge for this.

 

In terms of energy, physicality is really something much different than our everyday life lets to understand. Just like the ice melts to water, which can vaporize in thin air, why would not the angels, especially when led by a mighty angel, know how to? From the good angels we already know God is using them in many ways to alter the physical reality, like healing diseases etc.

 

Then we have all kinds of occult practices where demons are made manifest, poltergeist and such.

 

Considering all this, for angels to change their habitation does not sound too far out. People living just some decades ago would consider many of todays applications science fiction. But they can be performed because of knowledge. What do not the angels then know and can having been living with the Almighty for such a long time, if time even can be used here to describe eternal reality.

 

It's not that the fallen ones were totally superb, I am not implying such because in Jesus we have all the power we ever need to access. But since we by our knowledge can do weird things today, the (fallen) angels with knowledge about eternity certainly can perform a thing or two as well.

Edited March 2, 2014 by Diatheosis

[Enoch2021]

And by the way, speaking of Hybrids....

 

(Revelation 13:18) "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

 

Beast and Man = Hybrid

 

 

Also echoes this, talking of the same time period....

 

(Daniel 2: 41-43):

"And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

 

= Hybrids