Sevenseas Posted June 10, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 10, 2014 oh...while over in another thread, I guess this thread was playing in the background because I was thinking of prayer to dead sainted people which of course Christians do not participate in as it is not in the Bible and for that matter, Jesus never addressed it either...most likely because He does not want us doing that However, Jesus Himself does intercede for us...and I KNOW God answers those prayers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,058 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 11, 2014 oh...while over in another thread, I guess this thread was playing in the background because I was thinking of prayer to dead sainted people which of course Christians do not participate in as it is not in the Bible and for that matter, Jesus never addressed it either...most likely because He does not want us doing that However, Jesus Himself does intercede for us...and I KNOW God answers those prayers!!! I see turtle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2014 sea turtle...I love underwater life and sea turtles are among my favorites! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,058 Content Per Day: 7.97 Reputation: 21,388 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted June 11, 2014 Oh yes! I am so very glad God has taken the scales from my eyes tosee the wonder in The Works of His Hands. All that contain the breathof life and even in His Glory He divides that into the distinction ofdiversity of land and water... after it's kind. Love, Steven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevenseas Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 30 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,373 Content Per Day: 0.76 Reputation: 683 Days Won: 22 Joined: 02/28/2012 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2014 God's creation is breathtaking!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetiger Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 16 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/05/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1971 Share Posted June 11, 2014 First, no it's not worship and it is Bibical to pray to the Saints (Heb 12:1), if it is then you need to stop praying to others to pray for you. Heb 12:1 does not mention praying to dead people or people in heaven. Hebrews 12 1 Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets us , and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, When I ask people to pray for me, I do not light a candle, I do not kneel before a statue of them. I do not bow my head and say oh blessed person hear my prayer. I do not pray to people to ask them to pray for me. Praying to saints as you do or as catholics do is idolatry. You have no idea how I ask the Saints for pray, so do not pretend to know. When you make a request of someone you are praying to them 4. to make earnest petition to (a person). 5. to make petition or entreaty for; crave http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pray So yes you are praying to someone when you make a request. Christians do not die we go to our reward, we are still alive and form a great cloud of witnesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yes the Bible is the Word of God also the will of God whether one wants to believe it is the Word of God or not. Jesus Christ is the fullfillment of God's word from the beginning (Alpha) and the end (Omega). Either one will believe the record God has given or they want it's that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 First, no it's not worship and it is Bibical to pray to the Saints (Heb 12:1), if it is then you need to stop praying to others to pray for you. Heb 12:1 does not mention praying to dead people or people in heaven. Hebrews 12 1 Therefore since we also are surrounded with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight and the sin which so easily besets us , and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, When I ask people to pray for me, I do not light a candle, I do not kneel before a statue of them. I do not bow my head and say oh blessed person hear my prayer. I do not pray to people to ask them to pray for me. Praying to saints as you do or as catholics do is idolatry. You have no idea how I ask the Saints for pray, so do not pretend to know. When you make a request of someone you are praying to them 4. to make earnest petition to (a person). 5. to make petition or entreaty for; crave http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pray So yes you are praying to someone when you make a request. Christians do not die we go to our reward, we are still alive and form a great cloud of witnesses. The saints can't see you and they can't hear you. And certainly can't do anything for you. The "cloud of witnesses" the Bible is referring to are the OT examples of the faithful saints who were also witnesses to the faithfulness of God. It has NOTHING to do with "saints" that have been canonized by the RCC or any other denomination. The Bible simply says we have a cloud (figurative for a great number) of witnesses (OT believers who serve as a collective witness) to what it means to live by faith. Christians pray to the Lord and they do so through the aid of the Holy Spirit. Christians don't pray to saints or to Mary or to anyone else. Jesus and Jesus alone is our source. Praying to saints is pagan and unscriptural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncn Posted June 11, 2014 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 6 Topic Count: 406 Topics Per Day: 0.09 Content Count: 5,248 Content Per Day: 1.13 Reputation: 1,337 Days Won: 67 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted June 11, 2014 Heb 4:16 Therefore let us come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need. Only God can hear our prayers. Only God can answer our prayers. No one in heaven has any greater access to God's throne than we do through prayer. Mary and the saints are not omniscient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Openly Curious Posted June 12, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,568 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 770 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/18/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted June 12, 2014 Yes we are to make our prayer requests or petitions known to God praying in faith to the Heavenly Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is through the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ that the saints or believers have gained access to the Father and there is no other way man can be reconciled with God. Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. He was that sinless or spotless sacrificial lamb. Saints or believers before or after us do not possess or have any authority in and of themselves to approach our Heavenly Father but Jesus ever liveth and makes intercession for us. It is only in the name of Jesus and in his authority we can approach God himself making our prayer request and petitions known to God. Believers or saints of God should not pray to or through the virgin Mary nor too any dead or alive saints. For It is the wrong way and deception. Mankind did not nor could they conquer death, hell or the grave. It took the blood of Jesus Christ to make reconciliation between God and man restoring the broken fellowship with the Father that was lost because of sin and not man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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