The Tribulation Period(s)...

[Daniel 11:36]

Just before He brings His unprecedented wrath and judgment upon an unbelieving world of humans [Psalms 2; Matthew 24:36-39; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 6:12-17]

 

The event ..... probably in even less than a "second" 

Edited October 21, 2014 by Daniel 11:36

[rollinTHUNDER]

So you think the great tribulation is God's wrath and judgment?

Edited October 22, 2014 by OneLight
No personal insults ...

[Persuaded]

quote: "I am a mid-tribber myself."

 

Funny, I had a teacher once that liked to say that people that claimed to be mid-tribbers were actually pre-tribbers who just didn't realize it yet. Yes, the "Great Tribulation" starts where Jesus says it does, when the abomination that makes desolate is set up, in the middle of Dan's week. Maybe it's the pre-tribbers that have the terms wrong; we're pre-weekers, which is pre-pre-tribbers!

 

But I'll go further out on my limb and say that there's reason to believe that the harpazo happens long before the 70th week, before the man of sin is even revealed, let alone come to power.

[Daniel 11:36]

Some people have different ideas don't they

 

There is no dating given for the Lord's next intervention, however there is implication that His move to call His Ecclesia out will come just before He brings 2550 days of His unprecedented wrath and judgment .... the "cool aid" that one does not want to drink

 

He has said to be ready because He will come at a time that no one can predict for executing both events .... no warning, no signs

 

He has good reason for saying this 

 

The devil that wants to be "god" has a reason for disputing [Revelation 12:12] .... and he has a "cool aid" stand for selling the same

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[Marilyn C]

Hi Daniel,

 

Actually the Body of Christ will know when the Lord comes.

 

`But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief, for you are all sons of light & sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.` (1 Thess. 5: 4 & 5)

 

`but encouraging one another; & all the more, as you see the day drawing near.` (Heb. 10: 25)

 

When Jesus was telling the people of Israel that He would come like a thief & they wouldn`t know, it was because they were in darkness, blinded. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father He knows when He will come & will tell His Body by His Holy Spirit, as we get closer to the time. 

[Marilyn C]

Hi rollinTHUNDER,

 

As you guessed it I would like to answer your question, which is a fair one. I have been pondering on it since you wrote. You said -

[quote]`I can't find it anywhere. Can someone please tell me where it is? Show me in God's Word where we have mention of a seven year tribulation. Oh, and good luck!`

[ghtan]

Sorry, I'm on the other side of the world and so I did not get to read all these until this morning. I think that even though a 7 year period is not directly mentioned, the repeated mention of 3 1/2 year periods in Revelation does suggest that the end time tribulation period will be some multiple of that number and so a 7 year period would fall in line with it. However, as with many of the lengths of time in Revelation, e.g. the ten days for Smyrna, these numbers are symbolic rather than literal. 3 1/2 years is symbolic of suffering and so the actual length of the tribulation period may not be so important. 

 

As pointed out, the day of the Lord is used in a variety of ways and that in Malachi 4:5 most likely refer to Jesus' first coming given that the next verse is quoted in Luke 1:17. Therefore, it is the context that should decide whether the reference is to the end time. Unfortunately, scholars regularly argue over those 'day of the Lord' passages and there is no agreement over whether which if any actually refers to the end time. I won't be surprised if readers in the first century also disagreed over the meanings of those passages. It seems unwise to me to give priority to debatable OT passages in our search for answers to the end time.

 

Would it not be fair then to believe that God left us in his latest Revelation his definitive word on the end time so that we should be able to understand what will happen without much if any reference to OT prophecies? That of course does not mean OT prophecies are no longer relevant but Revelation should guide us to understand those prophecies and not the other way around.

 

That is why I started reading Revelation on its own terms without trying to fit it into OT prophetic timelines. The book made a lot more sense then. It led me to ask different questions e.g. the different expressions for 3 1/2 years as I mentioned earlier. Surely there must be some reason for that. And it also led me to a mid-tribulation rapture position, because if the book indicates the timing of the rapture - and one would expect such an important doctrine to be included - the most likely place is in the first harvest of chapter 14. The swinging of the sickle would be sudden enough to qualify as 'snatching', and it is supported by the (sudden) appearance of the company of worshippers in heaven in chapter 15. I don't think these are matyrs because their joy contrasts with the anguish of the martyrs of the fifth seal. That leaves only one other way that they got to heaven.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Hi Marilyn,

You may believe the Gog-Magog war of Ezek. 38 occurs pre-70th week, but I do not. I have Ezek. 38 occurring in the great tribulation and ending with Ezek. 39 (Armageddon).  
 
Burning weapons for seven years would not amount to a great tribulation such as the world has never seen. I have them burning these weapons after Armageddon for 7 yrs. into the millennium.

Daniel and Christ have clearly outlined the great tribulation, and both place it after the abomination of desolation (mid-week, Dan.11:31-36, Matt.24:15).  Let's see if they are not describing the same event.
 
Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
 
Matthew 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

Neither Daniel or Christ mentioned anything about a 3 1/2 year tribulation before the abomination.  This was supposed to be a confirming of a covenant or peace settlement, which would in no way resemble a tribulation, that is, not until the covenant is broken.  Then all bets are off. 

 

 

 

Cheers

[Marilyn C]

Hi rollinTHUNDER,

 

We obviously disagree regarding the timing of the Ez. war. However there are more scriptures for us to look at.

 

`For you yourselves know full well that the Day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, "Peace & safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; & they shall not escape.` (1 Thess. 5: 2 - 4)

 

`But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief ,....` (2 Peter 3: 10)

 

So we see the Day of the Lord will come like a thief (to those in darkness) & will begin as with `birth pangs.` The Lord talked about those `birth pangs` in Matt. 24: 8 & we see that there are many events to happen before the Abomination of Desolation which identifies the great tribulation. The previous `birth pangs` would be described as `darkness & gloom, trouble & distress, destruction & desolation & tribulation. All the describing words of the prophets for the Day of the Lord.

 

Good chatting with you, Marilyn.

[rollinTHUNDER]

Hi rollinTHUNDER,

 

We obviously disagree regarding the timing of the Ez. war. However there are more scriptures for us to look at.

 

`For you yourselves know full well that the Day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. While they are saying, "Peace & safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like birth pangs upon a woman with child; & they shall not escape.` (1 Thess. 5: 2 - 4)

 

`But the Day of the Lord will come like a thief ,....` (2 Peter 3: 10)

 

So we see the Day of the Lord will come like a thief (to those in darkness) & will begin as with `birth pangs.` The Lord talked about those `birth pangs` in Matt. 24: 8 & we see that there are many events to happen before the Abomination of Desolation which identifies the great tribulation. The previous `birth pangs` would be described as `darkness & gloom, trouble & distress, destruction & desolation & tribulation. All the describing words of the prophets for the Day of the Lord.

 

Good chatting with you, Marilyn.

Those are what I call signs that precede His coming, and those who know them are the ones who won't be in the dark.

Good chatting with you too!

Cheers