defending "till death do us part"

[Guest]

adultery already has a clear definition

 

 

Beloved Either Way One Defines It, Adultery Or Fornication

 

Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood. Hosea 4:1-2

 

It Is The Heartless Violation Of Love Given

 

And my people are bent to backsliding from me: though they called them to the most High, none at all would exalt him. Hosea 11:7

 

And Only The LORD

 

How shall I give thee up, Ephraim? how shall I deliver thee, Israel? how shall I make thee as Admah? how shall I set thee as Zeboim? mine heart is turned within me, my repentings are kindled together. Hosea 11:8

 

Can Save

 

I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. Hosea 11:9

 

Us

 

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans 6:23

[Sevenseas]

Staying in an adulterous and or abusive marriage is not a safety net.  You don't go to heaven because you thought you had to stay with a man who

bashed you when he had too many beers or had realtions with other women.  You don't go to heaven because your wife runs around on you while

you stay home with the kids.  Either of those is just pure misery.

 

What's a marriage vow?  What's a broken vow?  I really like what Jesus said about letting your yes be yes and your no be no.

 

I'm not sure why this topic keeps getting slung around.  It hasn't stopped one divorce yet I'm sure.

 

It takes two hearts and One God to keep people married.  The two hearts must be soft enough to 'hear'...that is not to reject but allow the truth to take root

and change you from the inside out....a stubborn and religious Bible thumping never helped anyone.  However, God can and does change hearts.  

[Mswright6488]

My first and only husband was abusive to me and my children so I left him. Is it true that if I ever got remarried I would go to hell. I know of a man who has been divorced and remarried at least 4 times now. Still he is a mighty man of God... whom the Lord uses everywhere he goes. Is he going to hell as well?

[kwikphilly]

Blessings A_Voice

    Really,is that so? Hmm,interesting....So,in the case of MsWright & myself ,who are both God loving women,got married believing that "til death do us part" & then got our6 faces bashed in & were physically abused,,,,which I believe God nullified that union the day those men crossed that line,,,,,,but according to you God would not Bless us with someone to love us as Christ loves HIs church....if she or I remarry we are adulterers?I do not know a god like that,,,,I know my Father that is Merciful & Compassionate & continues to bless.....................no Ms Wright,you are not going to hell & neither am I                       Love,Kwik

[Mswright6488]

Thank you my sweet sister.... It was mostly his drinking and verbal abuse for me and the children. I don't know how anyone could hit you kwik or be mean to you. You are such a blessing!

[LadyKay]

I don't understand the point of all of this. Deciding to end a marriage or not to end a marriage because somebody or maybe both cheated it not an easy thing to do. It is not like well this person did this so I have to do this. It is not something that can be decided on a message form. There is no one cookie cutter answer for all. And you can not learn about how God feels about marriage on one Bible verse alone. Read what God say about loving your wife.

 

With that being said I will say this from a women's point of view because I am one. If you had a husband who was going out and sleeping with a different women every night, would you still want to keep him? What kind of marriage would you have if you did? Do you think the kind of marriage you would have would be one that God would want you to have? A marriage full of hurt and without love or respected for your spouse?  No sir! Someone who has done that has done thrown away his/her marriage vows. He/She has broken his word to his wife/husband and I believe to God as well. If they have any love for each other and they choice to patch things up and change what needs to be changed, then good. But if they continue to show no love or respected for each other by sleeping with anything that walks by. Then I do think that they can walk away from their marriage as it is no longer a marriage. And I do not think that God would condemn them for it. That is what I think about that matter. Thank you very much!

[enoob57]

Many believe that Jesus allows divorce for adultery. That directly contradicts "till death do us part". There is strong evidence that fully supports the long held "till death do us part", that proves that adultery is NOT a grounds for divorce.

There was a cultural divorce for fornication (not adultery) that was done while the "husband" and "wife" were only engaged (betrothed). Jesus' hearers were very familiar with this kind of divorce. The texts in Matt 5:31,32 and 19:9 function perfectly when this perspective of the exception clause is embraced. When the perspective that Jesus allowed divorce for adultery is held, then Matt 5:31,32 and 19:9 contradict each other as well as themselves.

There are two ways to look at this subject- one of law the other of grace...

The Law is do and get verses grace giving what is not deserved. If you look

at the law properly you will see a divine standard given to an already dead

people... and a people who thought the doing made them not dead! Thus The

Spirit of Christ teaches

Eph 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God:

KJV

This new life initiates the love of God within us so that we are no longer of

ourselves enabled but by God The Holy Spirit~ if we walk in the s(S)pirit...

So we are left in this light of truth trying to find divorce in 1Cor 13 !

Love, Steven

[Guest]

My first and only husband was abusive to me and my children so I left him....

 

Is it true that if I ever got remarried I would go to hell....

 

I know of a man who has been divorced and remarried at least 4 times now. Still he is a mighty man of God....

 

whom the Lord uses everywhere he goes....

 

Is he going to hell as well....

 

 

Ah Beloved, Our Salvation Starts With Jesus

 

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:

 

it is the gift of God: Not of works,

 

lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

 

And Our Salvation

 

To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:

 

that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

 

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith

 

without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:26-28

 

Ends

 

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

 

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. 1 John 1:8-10

 

With

 

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Philippians 2:13

 

Jesus

 

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling,

 

and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

 

To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:24-25

 

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Dear Sister, Keep The Faith

 

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Jeremiah 29:11

 

Jesus Knows

 

These things dominate the thoughts of unbelievers, but your heavenly Father already knows all your needs.  Matthew 6:32 (NLT)

 

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Praying~!

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Love, Your Brother Joe

[Mswright6488]

Thank you Joe... what encouraging words to me... my spirit is uplifted in every way!!!!!

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Ms Wright.....

    It is not flesh & blood.................

 

Ephesians 6:12

12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

    That is how someone could be mean or hurt another human being,sweet Sister and that is how we are able to forgive and pray for our enemies.............we are accountable for what we do,not anyone but ourselves,,,,,,,,and our Loving Father,our Gracious Lord & King does not hold us accountable for anothers wrong doing................just like our Beloved Brother Joe has shared Gods Word with us,our Salvation begins & ends with Jesus.............it is by His Grace that we are forgiven ,we forgive and we are free in Christ to remarry after our abusive husbands broke the union that God Sanctified and expected THEM to honor....."let no man put asunder"...........God ,by His Grace,Mercy,Compassion & Love would not deny us a good & Godly husband if it is according to His Will,,,,,,,,

     I know my Father,He never runs out of Blessings,He never deprives me of His Joy,He is my Provider & my Redeemer,He is my First Love.....but He first loved me!!!!(& you)

                                                                                                                                                                With Love-in Christ,Kwik