Is the voice of the Son of God the voice of the Archangel -

[justfaith]

 

Archangel is a specific title that means more than just messenger (angel). Jesus can act as a messenger of God but archangel is used of Michael and Gabriel specificly.

 

I looked up archangel and found the following definition using blue letter bible.

 

 

Part of Speech

masculine noun

Root Word (Etymology)

From ἄρχω (G757) and ἄγγελος (G32)

Dictionary Aids

Vine's Expository Dictionary: View Entry

TDNT Reference: 1:87,12

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. archangel, or chief of the angels

 

Angel in Hebrew means messenger. So by extension, and archangel would be the chief of messengers. Could that term be used for Jesus?  

 

 

Archangel is a specific title that means more than just messenger (angel). Jesus can act as a messenger of God but archangel is used of Michael and Gabriel specificly.

Where does it say that Gabriel is an Archangel ?

[other one]

 

Where does it say that Gabriel is an Archangel ?

 

 

I don't believe the Bible says that he is an Archangel......    both the Kabbalah and the book of Enoch refer to him as an archangel, if you are incline to pay any credence to either of them.

[kwikphilly]

Blessings

  The Word of God does not say Gabriel is an archangel,not in any of my versions,,,,,in the Book of Enoch,yes,,,,in the Kabbalah,yes......RCC Duouy-Challoner,yes(they even add Raphael)

     

 

And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.                                                                                        Exodus 3:1

Personally ,I always thought this was Gods Holy Spirit..........third person of the Trinity                            With love-in Christ,<Kwik

 

Father,Son & Holy Spirit,,,,,,,,,,,ONE

[justfaith]

Gabriel is not an archangel or else the bible would have said so 

[Willa]

Lol. My bad. The only place that I found Gabriel listed as an archangel in my bible was in my concordance of my Thompson Chain Referance. The book of Enoch which is part of the Apochrapha called him an archangel. In Luke he is only mentioned as being sent by God, and "who stands before God's Presence" in Luke 1:19.

[jtartar]

Hello,

When you consider what is said in other parts of the Holy Scriptures about Jesus and the things he is going to do, it seem that Jesus is The Archangel. Archangel means the Top angel. That would surely be Jesus.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who judges with an iron rod, and that it is Jesus who God gives the power to resurrect all the ones in the tombs, John 5:25-29, and then 1Thess 4:16,17,tells us that the one who resurrects has The Archangel's voice, it seems that Jesus would certainly be Michael, probably Jesus's heavenly name.

Also consider exactly what is being spoken about at Rev 12:1-6. The woman is God's woman who produces the King of God's Kingdom, who is Jesus. These verses are telling about the birth of that Kingdom. Rev 6:2 , tells us about the one riding on the white horse, Jesus, receives a crown, and immediately after that is the rider on the red horse, WAR. This is what also happens directly after the birth of the kingdom at Rev 12:7-12. Here Michael is again doing what the Bible says that Jesus will do, Heb 2:9-14, 1John 3:8.

The Archangel is also mentioned at Jude 9, disputing with the Devil, who else could be disputing with the Devil??

One other place that Michael is doing something that the lord Jesus is assign to do, is at Dan 12:1,2, Isa 11:1-5, Matt 25:31-46, 2Thes 1:6-9, Rev 2:26,27, 19:11-21.

Some think that it is belittling Jesus to call him an angel, but that is not true, for Jesus is also called an Apostle, which is a name usually reserved for men, Heb 3:1.

It must be that Jesus' heavenly name was, and maybe is again, Michael.

[other one]

Hello,

When you consider what is said in other parts of the Holy Scriptures about Jesus and the things he is going to do, it seem that Jesus is The Archangel. Archangel means the Top angel. That would surely be Jesus.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who judges with an iron rod, and that it is Jesus who God gives the power to resurrect all the ones in the tombs, John 5:25-29, and then 1Thess 4:16,17,tells us that the one who resurrects has The Archangel's voice, it seems that Jesus would certainly be Michael, probably Jesus's heavenly name.

Also consider exactly what is being spoken about at Rev 12:1-6. The woman is God's woman who produces the King of God's Kingdom, who is Jesus. These verses are telling about the birth of that Kingdom. Rev 6:2 , tells us about the one riding on the white horse, Jesus, receives a crown, and immediately after that is the rider on the red horse, WAR. This is what also happens directly after the birth of the kingdom at Rev 12:7-12. Here Michael is again doing what the Bible says that Jesus will do, Heb 2:9-14, 1John 3:8.

The Archangel is also mentioned at Jude 9, disputing with the Devil, who else could be disputing with the Devil??

One other place that Michael is doing something that the lord Jesus is assign to do, is at Dan 12:1,2, Isa 11:1-5, Matt 25:31-46, 2Thes 1:6-9, Rev 2:26,27, 19:11-21.

Some think that it is belittling Jesus to call him an angel, but that is not true, for Jesus is also called an Apostle, which is a name usually reserved for men, Heb 3:1.

It must be that Jesus' heavenly name was, and maybe is again, Michael.

Michael is a created being......   Jesus is not.....    so they can't be the same.     angels are created beings and Jesus is not....   so he can't be an angel.

[Shimshon]

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Edited July 19, 2019 by Shimshon

[other one]

 

 

Hello,

When you consider what is said in other parts of the Holy Scriptures about Jesus and the things he is going to do, it seem that Jesus is The Archangel. Archangel means the Top angel. That would surely be Jesus.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who judges with an iron rod, and that it is Jesus who God gives the power to resurrect all the ones in the tombs, John 5:25-29, and then 1Thess 4:16,17,tells us that the one who resurrects has The Archangel's voice, it seems that Jesus would certainly be Michael, probably Jesus's heavenly name.

Also consider exactly what is being spoken about at Rev 12:1-6. The woman is God's woman who produces the King of God's Kingdom, who is Jesus. These verses are telling about the birth of that Kingdom. Rev 6:2 , tells us about the one riding on the white horse, Jesus, receives a crown, and immediately after that is the rider on the red horse, WAR. This is what also happens directly after the birth of the kingdom at Rev 12:7-12. Here Michael is again doing what the Bible says that Jesus will do, Heb 2:9-14, 1John 3:8.

The Archangel is also mentioned at Jude 9, disputing with the Devil, who else could be disputing with the Devil??

One other place that Michael is doing something that the lord Jesus is assign to do, is at Dan 12:1,2, Isa 11:1-5, Matt 25:31-46, 2Thes 1:6-9, Rev 2:26,27, 19:11-21.

Some think that it is belittling Jesus to call him an angel, but that is not true, for Jesus is also called an Apostle, which is a name usually reserved for men, Heb 3:1.

It must be that Jesus' heavenly name was, and maybe is again, Michael.

Michael is a created being......   Jesus is not.....    so they can't be the same.     angels are created beings and Jesus is not....   so he can't be an angel.

 

How do you understand this from the book of hebrews?

 

Hebrews 10

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, "Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me;   

Did God not created a body within a virgin to be born as the Messiah?

 

Philippians 2

5Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,6who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.  

I don't believe Messiah was an angel.  And I understand he existed before the world began.  But did his body?  Was not his body created like us, in human form?  Though his Spirit was before creation, the Holy one. 

Luke 4

18"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me ......

 

but the spirit that entered the Body of Jesus was not created.....   it was with the Father from eternity.....   while Jesus had a flesh body he was not simply human on the spiritual scale.

John tells us he existed in the form of God before he became flesh.....   It was Jesus himself that did the hands on creating the universe.  As Paul tells us, all things came from the Father Through Jesus in his previous form.

[jtartar]

Hello,

When you consider what is said in other parts of the Holy Scriptures about Jesus and the things he is going to do, it seem that Jesus is The Archangel. Archangel means the Top angel. That would surely be Jesus.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is the one who judges with an iron rod, and that it is Jesus who God gives the power to resurrect all the ones in the tombs, John 5:25-29, and then 1Thess 4:16,17,tells us that the one who resurrects has The Archangel's voice, it seems that Jesus would certainly be Michael, probably Jesus's heavenly name.

Also consider exactly what is being spoken about at Rev 12:1-6. The woman is God's woman who produces the King of God's Kingdom, who is Jesus. These verses are telling about the birth of that Kingdom. Rev 6:2 , tells us about the one riding on the white horse, Jesus, receives a crown, and immediately after that is the rider on the red horse, WAR. This is what also happens directly after the birth of the kingdom at Rev 12:7-12. Here Michael is again doing what the Bible says that Jesus will do, Heb 2:9-14, 1John 3:8.

The Archangel is also mentioned at Jude 9, disputing with the Devil, who else could be disputing with the Devil??

One other place that Michael is doing something that the lord Jesus is assign to do, is at Dan 12:1,2, Isa 11:1-5, Matt 25:31-46, 2Thes 1:6-9, Rev 2:26,27, 19:11-21.

Some think that it is belittling Jesus to call him an angel, but that is not true, for Jesus is also called an Apostle, which is a name usually reserved for men, Heb 3:1.

It must be that Jesus' heavenly name was, and maybe is again, Michael.

Michael is a created being......   Jesus is not.....    so they can't be the same.     angels are created beings and Jesus is not....   so he can't be an angel.[/quote)

Other one,

Where do you get the information from that Michael is created and Jesus is not a created being??

My Bible, and almost all Bibles say the same thing at Col 1:15, that Jesus was the first of God's creations. Revelation says the same thing at Rev 3:14. John 1:18 says that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. This term means that Jesus is God's son in a very special way. It means that when God created Jesus, there was no one in the universe except God, and after Jesus was created, God used Jesus in the creation of all other things. The Bible says that God created all things through Jesus, and For Jesus, 1Cor 8:6, Col 1:16, Heb 1:2.

Very interesting scriptures are recorded at Prov 8:22-31. Most theologians believe that here is wisdom personified in Jesus. Verse 22, in most Bibles says that Jesus was brought forth, seeming to be a sign of Jesus being created. The same ides is recorded at verses 24&25. Verse 30 tells of Jesus being the master worker, Jesus being the helper in all things created.

At John 6:57, Jesus said that he lives because of the Father.

Proverbs 23:22, says that your father caused your birth.

Do you believe that Jesus was lying or being deceitful when he said the God was his Father and his God, John 20:17??

Jesus called God his Father many times in the Holy Scriptures, Matt 11:25, Matt 20:23, Matt 7:21.

All people who are serious researchers of the scriptures recognize that the Bible uses Anthropomorphisms in the scriptures, theses are also called Accommodations, because the words mean that common words that we know the meaning of are used to help us understand scripture. When God uses the term, heart, we understand, even though God is a spirit and has no heart as we have. The same is true of the word Father, it means that God created His son, and is therefore his Father, an accommodation for us.