What do Muslims mean when they invoke the name of Jesus

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Since they believe in a false Jesus, one who isnt our Lord as described in the bible, I doubt they are invoking our Lord. And if not Him, then who are they invoking?

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For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil.

 

And who is he that will harm you, if ye be followers of that which is good?

But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

 

Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

 

For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing. 1 Peter 3:12-17

 

Q&A What do Muslims believe about Jesus? CBN.com - One often hears Muslims say: "Muslims honor Jesus more than Christians do." Moreover, you will find that Islam has a fairly well-defined doctrine of Christ. Its view is based on the Qur'an which has more about Christ than you might think. Briefly, here is what it says about Jesus Christ.

Note first of all the names and titles given Jesus in the Qur'an. Under the personal name "Isa" or "Isa Son of Mary" he is frequently called "Al-Masih" (Messiah) and at one time or another is also referred to as "the Word of God", "the Word of Truth", "a Spirit from Him", "the Messenger of God", "the Prophet of God", and "the Servant of God". He is even said to be "illustrious in this world and the next and of those nearest to God" (3:45). The Qur'an also has a lot to say about Jesus. It relates, for example, the story of the angel's annunciation to Mary that she would have a son and the story of His virgin birth, and attributes to Jesus a number of miracles (of apocryphal origin). In a word, it says about Him many wonderful things.

But what do these affirmations signify as concerns the person and work of Jesus Christ? Ah, there is the rub! They certainly do not communicate to the Muslim what they would to a Christian, who views Christ in the light of the teaching of the New Testament. For although the Qur'an speaks highly of Christ and presents miraculous aspects of His life as already mentioned, it also categorically denies two of the central teachings of the New Testament--His deity and His crucifixion--and radically misinterprets what they mean.

When the Muslim tries to put all these things together and to express what he understands the Qur'an to be saying about Christ doctrinally, the result is quite different from what the Christian understands the New Testament to be saying. Christ is seen to be a Prophet and Envoy of God of "surpassing greatness" (according to one Muslim writer), but only a man and nothing more. As a performer of exceptional miracles, he was rescued by God from an untimely end, was raised up to heaven, and (according to certain traditions) will come back to earth again--to die a Muslim! He is not the Saviour of the world, and is certainly not God, or "the Son of God".

What then about the claim that "Muslims honor Jesus more than Christians do"? Certainly, we do not want to allow ourselves to be entangled in sterile debate over who honors Christ the most. But neither should we feel intimidated. We must try first of all to understand how they come to such a conclusion. Above all we need to honor Christ by a life of genuine love and service to man which belies such misrepresentations (I Peter 3:13-15).

 

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/OnlineDiscipleship/UnderstandingIslam/What_do_Muslims_believe_about_Jesus.aspx

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I could not locate the article; help please

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It is a lengthy article and I did not want to post it here but here it goes...

 

What Do Muslims Really Mean When They Invoke The Name Of Jesus?

December 03, 2014 | Matt Ward

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Recently, Christian leaders in America allowed a Muslim imam to lead an Islamic service at the National Cathedral. Leaders of both Houses of Congress stood in solemn silence, heads bowed reverently and respectfully as the names of Allah and Mohammed were venerated in America’s foremost Christian house of worship.

Many probably even thought there are similarities between the God of their forefathers and those of their Islamic guests. Many have said openly that both Islam and Christianity worship the same God, and follow the same Jesus.

But they are ill informed. What do Muslims really mean when they venerate and highly esteem Jesus or Isa (as he is known within Islam)?

Well, first understand the basics. Muslims do not believe that Jesus died on the cross. Nor do Muslims believe that Jesus is the penal substitution for your sins and mine. In fact Muslims believe that Jesus was rescued from death by Allah and ascended into heaven in a rapture like event and there he waits, eager to come back and finish his work on earth.

Muslims do believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, a fact that surprises many Christians. In truth and much to our shame, there are many more Muslims anticipating the return of their Jesus today than there are Christians expecting the real Jesus. However, this is where the similarity ends.

In the Islamic tradition, their Jesus has certain very specific goals to achieve upon his return. According to Islam, “Jesus” will return to a place just outside of Damascus—to a mosque, and when he does return, he will return to meet the Islamic Mahdi ( the Twelfth Imam, the great Awaited One), who will be leading a vast army.

“Jesus” will declare himself to be a Muslim and will be asked to lead prayers by the Mahdi, but he will refuse, deferring instead to the Mahdi for this privilege. The Mahdi will lead the prayers and “Jesus” will stand behind him in deference.

Once “Jesus” has made Hajj to Mecca his primary goal then will be to institute and oversee the implementation of Sharia Law throughout the world. It will be this Islamic version of Jesus who holds the Christian nations accountable for falsely believing he is the messiah, and not Allah.

If they will not convert immediately to Islam it will be their Jesus who will slaughter all Christians and comprehensively bring an end to Christianity. This Jesus will then eliminate all other world religions in favor of Islam. In fact, this Jesus will be the greatest Muslim evangelist of all time.

The Islamic Jesus’ other primary role will be to confront and kill the Dajjal, the Islamic antichrist, along with all of his followers.

All of Dajjal’s followers are Jews.

This is what in part accounts for such hatred of the Jews in the Islamic world today, among other things. It will be this Jesus who leads the final “crusade” against the Jewish nation. In Islam, it will be this Jesus who will bring them to the sword and brings an end to their nation.

Once this is accomplished “Jesus” will marry and have children, after which he will die, be buried and be mourned amongst the children of Islam.

There are striking similarities between the Jesus of Islam and the False Prophet of the Bible. Their roles are almost identical. The same can be said of the Islamic Mahdi and the forthcoming biblical Antichrist.

This is the Jesus and the belief system that was brought into the National Cathedral. (One that anticipates the coming of the man of sin), the son of perdition, not the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

And therein lies the fallacy of Islam. And therein is the fallacy of all hybrid notions of religion like “Chrislam.” The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible, so why at the inauguration of President Obama in 2008 did Rick Warren, “America’s Pastor,” offer prayers “…in the name of Isa?”

Why are the air waves and bookstores full of work by Christian leaders who are busy promoting efforts to find common ground between Islam and Christianity? How can there possibly be common ground between the two?

The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible. There is no forgiveness of sins, there is no reconciliation to an Almighty God because there is no propitiation for sins committed.

Isa is not the Jesus of the Bible.

Isa is not the Anointed One of the Lord God Almighty, he is not the Son of Man envisioned by the prophet Daniel. He is not the One looking “as if he had been slain” presented to the Ancient of Days. He is not the one in heaven who “all the elders fell down and threw their crowns at His feet” nor the One that the whole heavenly host prostrated themselves before in worship. 

Nor is Isa the same Jesus who walked the shores of the Sea Galilee two thousand years ago bringing sight to the blind, healing the sick, making the lame walk again, empowering the dumb to bring praise to the God of all creation. Nor is Isa the Jesus who raised little Jairus’ daughter from the dead and then gave her a cuddle.

Isa cannot take your sins nor give you relief or comfort if you are suffering, nor would he want to. Isa is not Jesus, the Messiah, the living Christ and our great High Priest. He is not the Son of the living God. Isa is a false Jesus, a replica, a replacement, an empty white washed tomb with empty hope on the outside and inside filled with utter desolation.

The real Jesus is the man who says to you today, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).

It is this Jesus who proclaims, “All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out” (John 6:37).

This is the real Jesus. The Jesus who was hammered onto a cross, hoisted up and agonized for hours so that you and I could live. So that you and I could be sons and daughters of the living God, heirs of salvation with Him.

Jesus, the true Messiah tells us plainly, “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me” (Revelation 3:20).

The question asked by the man in prison in the book of Acts is that echoed truly by every human heart, “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30).

The response is always the same, “…He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36).

The Islamic Isa is not Jesus Christ.

Please tell me our Christian leadership understand this...

[coheir]

Thank you for posting the article, I was expecting another link direct to the article, Didn't mean to cause you to have to post it, so thanks.

 

Yes Our Jesus is not the same as muslims jesus.  Also in the article they mention in obama's inauguration prayers were offered to isa. I believe obama probably insisted on that rather than believe Rick Warren adding that in.

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What Do Muslims Really Mean When They Invoke The Name Of Jesus?

December 03, 2014 | Matt Ward
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Recently, Christian leaders in America allowed a Muslim imam to lead an Islamic service at the National Cathedral. Leaders of both Houses of Congress stood in solemn silence, heads bowed reverently and respectfully as the names of Allah and Mohammed were venerated in America’s foremost Christian house of worship.

Many probably even thought there are similarities between the God of their forefathers and those of their Islamic guests. Many have said openly that both Islam and Christianity worship the same God, and follow the same Jesus.

But they are ill informed. What do Muslims really mean when they venerate and highly esteem Jesus or Isa (as he is known within Islam)?

Well, first understand the basics. Muslims do not believe that Jesus died on the cross. Nor do Muslims believe that Jesus is the penal substitution for your sins and mine. In fact Muslims believe that Jesus was rescued from death by Allah and ascended into heaven in a rapture like event and there he waits, eager to come back and finish his work on earth.

Muslims do believe in the Second Coming of Jesus, a fact that surprises many Christians. In truth and much to our shame, there are many more Muslims anticipating the return of their Jesus today than there are Christians expecting the real Jesus. However, this is where the similarity ends.

In the Islamic tradition, their Jesus has certain very specific goals to achieve upon his return. According to Islam, “Jesus” will return to a place just outside of Damascus—to a mosque, and when he does return, he will return to meet the Islamic Mahdi ( the Twelfth Imam, the great Awaited One), who will be leading a vast army.

“Jesus” will declare himself to be a Muslim and will be asked to lead prayers by the Mahdi, but he will refuse, deferring instead to the Mahdi for this privilege. The Mahdi will lead the prayers and “Jesus” will stand behind him in deference.

Once “Jesus” has made Hajj to Mecca his primary goal then will be to institute and oversee the implementation of Sharia Law throughout the world. It will be this Islamic version of Jesus who holds the Christian nations accountable for falsely believing he is the messiah, and not Allah.

If they will not convert immediately to Islam it will be their Jesus who will slaughter all Christians and comprehensively bring an end to Christianity. This Jesus will then eliminate all other world religions in favor of Islam. In fact, this Jesus will be the greatest Muslim evangelist of all time.

The Islamic Jesus’ other primary role will be to confront and kill the Dajjal, the Islamic antichrist, along with all of his followers.

All of Dajjal’s followers are Jews.

This is what in part accounts for such hatred of the Jews in the Islamic world today, among other things. It will be this Jesus who leads the final “crusade” against the Jewish nation. In Islam, it will be this Jesus who will bring them to the sword and brings an end to their nation.

Once this is accomplished “Jesus” will marry and have children, after which he will die, be buried and be mourned amongst the children of Islam.

There are striking similarities between the Jesus of Islam and the False Prophet of the Bible. Their roles are almost identical. The same can be said of the Islamic Mahdi and the forthcoming biblical Antichrist.

This is the Jesus and the belief system that was brought into the National Cathedral. (One that anticipates the coming of the man of sin), the son of perdition, not the King of kings and the Lord of lords.

And therein lies the fallacy of Islam. And therein is the fallacy of all hybrid notions of religion like “Chrislam.” The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible, so why at the inauguration of President Obama in 2008 did Rick Warren, “America’s Pastor,” offer prayers “…in the name of Isa?”

Why are the air waves and bookstores full of work by Christian leaders who are busy promoting efforts to find common ground between Islam and Christianity? How can there possibly be common ground between the two?

The Jesus of Islam is not the Jesus of the Bible. There is no forgiveness of sins, there is no reconciliation to an Almighty God because there is no propitiation for sins committed.

Isa is not the Jesus of the Bible.

Isa is not the Anointed One of the Lord God Almighty, he is not the Son of Man envisioned by the prophet Daniel. He is not the One looking “as if he had been slain” presented to the Ancient of Days. He is not the one in heaven who “all the elders fell down and threw their crowns at His feet” nor the One that the whole heavenly host prostrated themselves before in worship.

Nor is Isa the same Jesus who walked the shores of the Sea Galilee two thousand years ago bringing sight to the blind, healing the sick, making the lame walk again, empowering the dumb to bring praise to the God of all creation. Nor is Isa the Jesus who raised little Jairus’ daughter from the dead and then gave her a cuddle.

Isa cannot take your sins nor give you relief or comfort if you are suffering, nor would he want to. Isa is not Jesus, the Messiah, the living Christ and our great High Priest. He is not the Son of the living God. Isa is a false Jesus, a replica, a replacement, an empty white washed tomb with empty hope on the outside and inside filled with utter desolation.

The real Jesus is the man who says to you today, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest” (Matthew 11:28).

It is this Jesus who proclaims, “All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me, and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out” (John 6:37).

This is the real Jesus. The Jesus who was hammered onto a cross, hoisted up and agonized for hours so that you and I could live. So that you and I could be sons and daughters of the living God, heirs of salvation with Him.

Jesus, the true Messiah tells us plainly, “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me” (Revelation 3:20).

The question asked by the man in prison in the book of Acts is that echoed truly by every human heart, “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30).

The response is always the same, “…He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him” (John 3:36).

The Islamic Isa is not Jesus Christ.

Please tell me our Christian leadership understand this...

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