I want to know what you think about this

[hmh]

Good question. I don't know if it is possible that a person who has God's Spirit be possessed, but they can certainly be heavily influenced by satan.

[deliveranceminister]

Hi Ernie,

We can be partially possessed, Maybe the mind? Hearing voices . Didn't Eve hear Satan's voice.

The method would than be that a Christian has to cast out a demon in Jesus Christ Name. Only a Christian can cast out a demon. There is no scripture that says that demons come out automatically.

Love and God Bless

Helena

Edited January 15, 2005 by deliveranceminister

[Dad Ernie]

We be partially possessed,

[deliveranceminister]

SuperJew,

Satan was speaking from within Peter. That can't be denied. Satan was inside a Christian. Jesus Christ was standing eye ball to eye ball with Satan. Satan was in Peter's flesh. That's scripture. We can't use logic here . Jesus Christ called Peter Satan because Satan was inside Peter.

Helena

[deliveranceminister]

CAN A CHRISTIAN HAVE A DEMON?

Give this a chance. Sit down and start binding and casting out demons especially Religious Demons. Spirits are air so they will come out when you cough, sneeze or eyes start tearing. You might get headaches all of a sudden or even vomit. Do this for about 1/2 hour you will see for yourself. Some demons are stubborn and take longer.

LIST OF SCRIPTURES

Matthew 12:43-45 A non-Christian DELIVERED.

Matthew 15:22-28 Children's (Christian's) bread.

Mark 1:23-27 Man in the synagogue (Believer).

Mark 1:39-42 Cast out devils in synagogues.

Mark 7:25-30 Children's (Christian's) bread.

Mark 8:33 JESUS Called Peter Satan.

Mark 9:17-29 Believer's son.

Luke 4:38-39 Spirit of fever is a demon.

Luke 11:24-26 A non-Christian DELIVERED.

Luke 13:11-17 Daughter of Abraham (Believer).

Luke 22:3 Satan entered Judas.

Acts 5:3-4 Ananias and Sapphira were Believers.

Acts 8:5-7, 13 Gave heed to things spoken of Christ.

Acts 8:20-24 Simon was a Believer.

Acts 10:38 Sickness is oppression of Satan.

I Cor. 5:1-5 Believer in Corinth DELIVERED to Satan.

II Cor. 2:10-11 Satan getting advantage of Believer.

II Cor. 11:3-4 Believers receive another spirit.

II Cor. 12:7-9 Paul's messenger of Satan in flesh.

Gal. 3:1 Galatians bewitched by spirits.

Eph. 2:1-3 Influence of Satan.

Eph. 4:26-27 Anger gives place to Devil.

I Tim. 1:18-20 Hymenaeus and Alexander Believers.

I Tim. 4:1-2 Believers depart from the faith.

II Tim. 2:24-26 Recover out of snare of Devil.

Heb. 12:15-16 Root of bitterness is a spirit.

James 4:6-8 Devil will flee from you.

I Peter 5:8-9 Afflictions in the brethren.

GENERAL - There is nowhere in the Bible that says explicitly that a "Christian" can have a demon. But it does talk about "Believers" having demons. Are you a Believer; what is the difference - none!

The multitudes that came to JESUS received DELIVERANCE; some were bound to be Believers!

You can memorize the Bible and go to Hell. No part of the Bible is any good to you unless it is used! Head knowledge will not get you to Heaven; it takes heart knowledge.

Bible scholars can argue about theology until JESUS comes again and not settle the question of whether a Christian can have a demon; it takes experience.

When you start casting demons out of people, you find that Christians not only have demons but they have thousands of demons! In our years of ministry, we have worked with thousands of people - small groups to large groups. We found that the congregation could have many demons. Then the Lord started us working with pastors and their families. We found that the five-fold ministry also had almost as many demons as the congregation. Finally the Lord had us to work with DELIVERANCE ministers. We found that they also had quite a few demons too!

We have seen leaders go into false doctrines. These can even be leaders that cast out demons. It appears that pride is their downfall. Pride is an abomination to God and is an active demonic area.

WARNING SIGNALS - POSSIBLE NEED FOR DELIVERANCE - Characteristics noted below merit a closer look when they are pronounced, persistent or recurrent over a period of time, or progressive - tending to become more, rather than less, extreme. Check yourself against these warnings. The following thumbnail descriptions of behavior can be a call for help:

1. Confused or disordered thinking: loss of touch with reality - delusions (persistence of erroneous convictions in the face of contrary evidence) - hallucinations; disconnected speech.

2. Obsessions: absorption with a subject or idea to the exclusion of others - compulsions - uncontrollable urges.

3. Inability to cope: with minor problems - with daily routine.

4. Difficulty in making/keeping friends: poor social skills - isolation,

withdrawal from society - "loner" lifestyle.

5. A pattern of failure across-the-board: at school - at work - in sports - in personal relationships.

6. Prolonged or severe depression: suicide threats/attempts.

7. Immaturity: infantile behavior (such as bedwetting) - over dependence on the mother (excessive clinging as a child - continuing dependence in teens and twenties) - failure to keep pace with peer group.

8. A series of physical ailments which do not run a typical course and/or fail to respond to treatment.

9. Neglect of personal hygiene (disheveled and unsanitary surroundings) or exaggerated concern for order and for cleanliness.

10. Difficulty adjusting to new people and places.

11. Undue anxiety and worry: phobias - feelings of being persecuted.

12. Too much or too little sleep.

13. Excessive self-centeredness: indifference to other people's feelings, doings, ideas -lack of sympathy with another's pain or need.

14. Substantial rapid weight - gain or loss.

15. Muted, "flat" emotions (absence of angry/delighted/sorrowing reactions to stimuli) or inappropriate emotions (sharp, inexplicable mood swings - silliness at serious moments, unpredictable tears).

16. Negative self-image and outlook: "inferiority" complex - feelings of worthlessness.

17. Frequent random changes of plans: inability to stick with a job, a school program, a living arrangement - failure to keep appointments, abide by decisions.

18. Extreme aggressiveness (combativeness, hostility - violence, rage) or exaggerated docility (lack of normal competitiveness and self-assertion - refusal to confront, avoidance of argument).

19. Risk-taking.

20. Lack of zest and enthusiasm: listlessness, sadness, mood habitually "down" -limited or missing sense of humor.

HOW CAN A CHRISTIAN HAVE DEMONS ? (EXCERPTS) - How can a demon spirit indwell the same body at the same time as the Holy Spirit does ?

The New Testament word for "spirit" is pneuma. In contra-distinction from the natural or "soulish", the spirit is that part of man which has the ability to grasp and perceive divine things (I Cor. 2:14).

The word for "soul" is "psyche". This word defines the self life - the emotions, the intellect and the will. Paul shows us that man is a threefold being (I Thes. 5:23).

The Scripture teaches that prior to salvation a man is "dead in trespasses and sins" (Eph. 2:1). JESUS comes into the human spirit and brings in His life (I John 5:11-12).

JESUS has made adequate provision for the whole man, but part of the responsibility now rests upon us as is shown in the following scripture: (Phil. 2:13-15).

The word for "salvation" in this passage is soteria. Thayer's Lexicon gives as the primary meaning of this word "DELIVERANCE from the molestation of enemies". The picture becomes clear. JESUS has DELIVERED our SPIRIT from the power of Satan; now He says to us, "Work out your own DELIVERANCE from the molestation of enemies until you have freed both SOUL AND BODY".

RESULTS WHEN DEMONIZATION OF CHRISTIANS IS DENIED (EXCERPTS) - False teachings are perpetuated by the erroneous and unscriptural position that Believers cannot have demons. The following is a partial list of the pitfalls associated with taking such a position; check yourself against these results:

1. The old sin nature becomes the "whipping boy" and the middle ground between God and the demons.

2. All problems are taught to be due to the "lack of surrender".

3. People are left open to be snared into cults by angels of light.

4. All inherited characteristics are thought to be unchangeable.

5. Personality quirks and characteristics are thought to be unchangeable.

6. Makes us unable to break the bondage on another person's will.

7. Mental health programs, which teach all problems are the result of heredity are supported.

8. Demons are given legal ground to stay when a person sits under teaching that denies a Christian can have a demon.

9. Demonic lies about oppression, possession, etc. are perpetuated.

10. Reinforces spiritual pride which keeps leaders from re-examining their teachings and retracting error.

11. Despair and hopelessness are fostered within the demonized.

12. Gives ground to accept, as law, all medical diagnosis and medication.

RESULTS WHEN PARENTS DO NOT PRACTICE DELIVERANCE ON THEIR CHILDREN -

The greatest need in the church today is teaching the whole Bible without fear or favor of man and the practice of DELIVERANCE for every Christian. As you see the children, so you see the parents and the nation. Look at your children and see your mistakes in their lives.

The following statistics were taken from The Children's Hour, U.S. News and World Report: "IN ONE DAY IN 1988 -2753 teenagers get pregnant, 1099 teenagers have abortions, 367 teens miscarry, 1287 teenagers give birth, 666 babies are born to women who have had inadequate prenatal care, 72 babies die before one month of life, 110 babies die before their first birthday, 9 children die from gunshot wounds, 5 teenagers commit suicide, 609 teenagers get gonorrhea or syphilis, 988 children are abused, 3288 children run away from home, 49322 children are in public juvenile correctional facilities, 2269 illegitimate children are born and 2989 kids see their parents divorced."

WHO IS A BELIEVER ? (EXCERPTS) - Because so many promises are given to those who are Believers, it is important to know who the Bible classifies as a Believer.

In the Greek "believe" indicates one relying on JESUS Christ for salvation. In Acts 5:14 the word means unadulterated trust. In I Tim. 4:12, trueness, to entrust one's spiritual faith assurance, well-being.

A check list for Believers: must bear fruit (John 15:2); signs shall follow (Mark 16:17-18); shall do works JESUS did (John 14:12); answered prayer (John 15:7); friend of JESUS (John 15:14) and witnessing (John 15:27).

WHAT ABOUT DEMONS IN CHRISTIANS ? (EXCERPTS) - "In the name of our Lord JESUS Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord JESUS Christ, to deliver such as one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord JESUS" (I Cor. 5:4-5). The apostle here deals with the case of a disobedient and sinful Believer in the church at Corinth.

In another case, Paul writes: "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck; of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have DELIVERED unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme" (I Tim. 1:19-20).

"In meekness, instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will" (II Tim.2:25-26).

When you go into the ministry of casting out demons, inevitably you are challenged by the question, "Is it possible for a born-again Believer to have a demon?" In charismatic circles the question is: "Is it possible for a Believer who is baptized in the Spirit to have a demon?"

"Absolutely not!" comes the stock answer. "The Holy Spirit cannot coexist in the same body with a demon!"

Actually, the answer to both questions above is definitely "yes". Almost one-hundred percent of the DELIVERANCE ministry we have had has been among the born-again Believers, and most of them were Baptized-in-the-Spirit Christians also.

Several arguments are advanced to "prove" that under no circumstances can a born-again person have a demon. The most common statement is that a Christian cannot be "possessed". This will be discussed later as a misnomer. The arguments in summary run something like this:

The Believer is inhabited by the Holy Spirit; therefore, the demons cannot coexist within the same body. The proof text usually used is I Cor. 2:12; however the verse does not say this.

JESUS came to destroy the works of the Devil (I John 3:8), and indeed He did. In the case of problems caused by demons, the remedy and method of doing this is cast out the demons in His name.

The struggle inside the Believer is always revealed to be the struggle between the flesh and the Spirit, and not a struggle involving demons (Rom. 6 and 7). Were that the case, the conscientious claiming of the promises of God would solve every human problem.

The Believer is DELIVERED from the power of Satan and his demons (Col. 1:12-13; Eph. 2:1-3). Yes, but like many other promises, not automatically , but only as we voluntarily meet God's conditions for DELIVERANCE.

The Christian is provided with complete protection from the fiery darts of the enemy (Eph. 6). This overlooks the rather obvious fact that the armor is designed for defense from external, not internal enemies, and also that even so the Believer's armor is not always in place.

In spite of these arguments, the dismaying fact remains that born-again Christians, including leaders, are having difficulties and problems which can find no solution in natural infirmities or the endless conflict between the flesh and the Spirit.

It is no secret that many have become discouraged and filled with awful despair.

In his tract, Demon Activity and the Christian, Ernest B. Rockstad rightly concludes that: "Experience, of course is not the basis for the interpretation of the Bible. Nevertheless, if consistent experiences run counter to an interpretation, the dedicated seeker after truth will set out to find the reason. He must be willing to re-study his interpretation under the direction of the Holy Spirit...and be prepared to make any necessary corrections in his own belief so as to be in full agreement with the facts as they are." He further points out that understanding the Biblical doctrine of human depravity should cause one to wonder that the Holy Spirit would enter a person under any circumstances.

You cannot argue anyone into believing that the old fundamental stand against Christians having demons is fallacious.

Edited January 15, 2005 by deliveranceminister

[AFaceInTheCrowd]

I guess I should have kept my mouth shut

[ayin jade]

Since my quotes thing isnt working tonight (and that is a strange thing to happen to people in here) Deliveranceminister's words are in brownish italics, my words in black. I may try and fix the post later.

Matthew 12:43-45 A non-Christian DELIVERED.

Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he walks through dry places seeking rest, and finds none.

Mat 12:44 Then he said, I will return into my house from where I came out. And when he has come, he finds it empty, swept, and decorated.

Mat 12:45 Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more evil than himself, and they enter in and live there. And the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so it also shall be to this evil generation.

What Im reading here is that when the demon leaves an unsaved person, that if it returns and finds an empty house (an unsaved person still) then that demon will possess him again. What Im not seeing is that a Christian can be possessed.

Matthew 15:22-28 Children's (Christian's) bread.

Mark 7:25-30 Children's (Christian's) bread.

Again, not possession of a Christian, or someone who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Mark 1:23-27 Man in the synagogue (Believer).

Just being in the synagogue does not make him a believer, (we have many in chat and on this boards who are not saved), nor is he indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

Mark 1:39-42 Cast out devils in synagogues.

Again, prior to the Holy Spirit coming down. Jesus preached to them in the synagogues. Why? Because they were not saved through Jesus. They were not Christians or believers.

Mark 8:33 JESUS Called Peter Satan.

What Im seeing, is not a possessed Peter, but rather a Peter who was chastised by Jesus for speaking in error. If he was possessed, wouldn

[ann2]

When i accepted Jesus as my Lord and savior,repented of my sins I DID FULLFILL GODS REQUIREMENT FOR DELIVERENCE.

[Ovedya]

I don't feel that I have to go into each verse quoted here. There is no reason to go beyond the following quote:

GENERAL - There is nowhere in the Bible that says explicitly that a "Christian" can have a demon...

Since there is nowhere in the Bible that says explicitly that a believer can have a demon, there is no reason to speculate that a believer can have a demon. With a subject as important as this, the Bible certainly would have addressed the issue.

The verses you used are based mostly upon speculation and poor interpretation of the Bible.

Much Grace,

~O

[eric]

I have to agree with Ovedya. When Jesus rebuked Peter He was talking figuratively. Satan was neither in him or speaking through him. Jesus may well have said "knock it off, Peter, you're talking like an unbeliever." To my way of thinking the remark was just a figure of speech.

cheers,

eric.