I need help with this because I'm confused....

[Katrina 2015]

I had a question to ask you because it's been bothering me and making me feel like I'm in the wrong when it comes to God. My name is Sasha and up until recently I was a fan of Creed and it's lead singer Scott Stapp and then I saw his youtube videos he made claiming that all his accounts were suddenly frozen, his wife and ex-wife were out to get him and those within the industry and he was now homeless and sleeping in a Holiday Inn - on the run because TPTB were out to kill him. I felt bad about his situation and when I went to sleep that night, my mom and I prayed to God for God to help Scott because Scott in his videos claimed to be a born again christian and all that and Scott stated he had no idea why what was happening to him was happening. Then that night God told me to warn Scott of why he was going through what he was going through and so I wrote Scott on his FB fan page this:

 

 

 

"I wanted to share this because this was what came to me last night after having a serious prayer for Scott and not only for him but for his family and for his situation because as Christians, that's what we're supposed to do and God showed me this and I thought I'd share this. Hopefully if Scott has access still to this page, he'll see it - for his sake, not for mine's.....You know, in your videos, Scott,  you said you didn't understand why God was allowing or having this happen to you, you said how you prayed to God asking why, shed tears, etc. Then I watched several past videos of you (Scott) since you professed your born again Christianity - a few clips you did on Beliefnet.com, where you talk so greatly about your Christianity and your love of God now - but then at the end of the video, you throw up the horned hand symbol telling people to "rock on".

 

Now, I don't know whether Scott knows it or not - but that symbol was used daily by satanic leader/Church Of Satan minister Anton Lavey and according to Anton, that symbol is a “sign of the curse” – a “curse sign”.  Also according to Anton Lavey’s satanic bible –it is “a sign of recognition between and allegiance of Lucifer and Lucifer's servants” the original name for that hand symbol is called “Mano Cornuto”. Yet, I have seen you Scott, throw this sign up several times in his (your) video interviews telling people to “rock on”. That hand sign does NOT mean to rock on, that horned hand sign is a SATANIC hand sign.

 

Telling people to “rock on” is fine, using that hand sign is NOT – especially when you’re professing to be a follower of God. Then let’s look at the music you Scott claim to listen to. I happened to take a look at the Reddit Q&A you did a few months back, Scott – back in October or December I believe, and one Redditor asked you what was your favorite musical artist, to which you said Jay Z. Now Jay Z openly promotes satanic leader Alister Crowley’s belief in “Do What Thou Wilt”. In Jay Z’s songs, Jay Z is openly downing, bashing and criticizing Jesus – God, the same God of which you Scott proclaim to follow. Even in Jay Z’s song “Son Of The Morning” – the song’s lyrics are: “LUCIFER, son of the morning.” And the song openly praises Jay Z’s wrong doings under Lucifer.  Jay Z’s wife has openly admitted that when on stage performing, she’s possessed by spirits (which are nothing more than demons) that help her to perform the way she does. In fact both Jay Z AND Beyonce have proclaimed this. So why would this satanic music artist – Jay Z be your favorite, Scott? In all of Jay Z’s videos, in his clothing line and etc., Jay Z openly promotes Satanism and satanic symbols such as the horned hand, the Freemason sign (and YES, the freemasons are satanic – DON’T believe me, go look up on Youtube videos that show PROOF of this) and other satanic symbols. But yet, this is your favorite musical artist, Scott. I happen to know you, Scott are a fan of other musical artists such as Led Zeppelin (who openly followed Alister Crowley’s work and philosophy) and Jimmy Paige even bought Alister’s old house and Pink Floyd – all these satanic bands and yes they are satanic…..

 

Now we flip forward to late 2014 and Scott, you’re saying you’re basically homeless, living in a Holiday Inn – under attack by not only the media but reportedly your wife, those within the industry and those within the banking system, you’re living out of your car and you’re praying to God asking why this is happening to you, you don’t understand why. Well, here’s why Scott. You see, you can’t proclaim to be a follower of God and then still throw up the Baphomet sign (and your Christians fans who are following you, see you making that satanic hand sign and that encourages THEM to make that same sign – therefore damning their souls because they’re also pledging allegiance to Satan – just as you are by making that same sign) – throwing and showing allegiance to Satan because then you’re lukewarm, you’re straddling the fence. You can’t proclaim to be a follower of God and then still listen to musical artists like Jay Z, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin who openly follow a leader (well LEADERS because they follow both Anton Lavey and Alister Crowley) who HATES the God you proclaim to serve. God says in Revelation 3:16 that “So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”  You can’t be lukewarm and think you’re still going to get PRAYERS answered by God and that God is going to help you out of YOUR troubles. When you proclaim to be a follower of God, you have to forgo and DROP ALL that is of the world, that includes WORLDLY and SATANIC music, WORLDLY and SATANIC hand signs and gestures, WORLDLY and satanic FRIENDS, you have to become RIGHTEOUS.

 

You can’t proclaim to be a follower of God if you’re still hanging on to that worldly, satanic life. Because you see, with all the satanic music you listened to, with all the satanic Baphomet signs you threw up (Whitney threw them up too when she was alive), with all the satanic friends you STILL allowed yourself to hang around – all it did was keep you in the realms of being able to STILL become under attack to Satan. You allowed your own self to become prey to Satan because you had one foot in line with Satan and one foot in line with God – and God can’t help nor will he help those who aren’t fully with him. So this is why you were or are under attack Scott – by your family, by the industry, by the banking system, by the media. It’s one thing to be attacked by these things when you’re standing RIGHT with God – because when you’re standing right with God – God’s going to deliver you from each and every attack – each and every time – to where you won’t have to spend one NIGHT in your truck, to where you will NEVER go hungry one day (and I KNOW what I’m talking about because I was under a attack before in my life – by family and friends and those whom I worked with and we (my mother and I) used to be homeless -  but not one night did we ever have to sleep on the street or have to go hungry because even during us being attacked, God stepped in and made sure he took care of us during the storm and in the end we became the VICTOR and now we’re doing great.

 

So what you’re going through, Scott, yes it is Satan sending you through this – but it’s only because you HELPED him send you through it – every time you threw up one of HIS symbols, every time you hung around someone you KNEW were against God and his word, every time you listened to a song by a musical artists that you KNEW hated God. You basically were saying to Satan “hey, I may believe in God but I’m still with you too, Satan.” You can’t do that, Scott and expect God to help you when that VERY one you were showing allegiance to throws you down in a ditch. It says in Luke 14:33: “So then, any of you who does not forsake (renounce, surrender claim to, give up, say good-bye to) all that he has CANNOT be My disciple”.  In order to proclaim to be a follower of God, Scott, you have to drop ALL things that are of the world – that means the hand symbols that you KNOW are satanic and are of Satan, that means the satanic music, the worldly and satanic friends.

 

 NO you don’t have to stop being a singer. You can be a singer but a Christian singer like Christian artists – Jeremy Camp, Rich Mullins and Chris Tomlin, they still put out records but ALL of their songs – ALL of them Scott have the word “GOD” in it somewhere, it details about their love of God and it details them FOLLOWING God. They just don’t  put out songs and tell people the songs are about “what God is doing for them in their lives and what God can do for others” but then all through their songs, there’s no mention at ALL of the word “Jesus” or “God” or no mention of following God anywhere within the song. So no one’s saying you have to stop being a singer but seriously Scott, if you’re going to stand for God and with God, STAND FOR AND WITH God and leave those things that are in the world and that are of Satan ALONE. If you’re going to stand with SATAN, then stop telling people you’re a Christian and that you’re putting out Christian songs. You CAN NOT serve both God and Satan and then when you’re in trouble, think that you can call out to God and God will be there for you, HE WILL NOT. I’m not judging you, I’m just telling you how it is. How God showed me last night to tell you Scott.

 

So with that, that’s all I have to say, if what you’re going through is true – all of these trials and tribulations and attacks then all I have to say is LET GO OF SATAN and get  A HOLD OF GOD 110% and then God will deliver you through it. Because there are going to be a few hot Christians who will survive until the end – but there are going to be A LOT of lukewarm Christians who are going to perish either before their time or at the end – into sorrow and eternal banishment from God – because they couldn’t decide who they wanted to stand with: God or Satan.

 

Lastly, believe it or not, Scott, the handwriting is on the wall – not just with your attack but with world events in general. We are closer to God’s judgment and return to this Earth now than we ever were. We’re getting close to a time where soon Christians are going to be locked away in FEMA camps, persecuted by our “government” and believe it or not, we will be killed because we’ve been branded by the government and the world as “terrorists” – all because of our belief in God – and these satanic musical artists, actors, and others in the satanic entertainment industry – they KNOW this, they have been schooled on all this. They know that time is running out for their God - Satan – which is why through movies, music, interviews and all other ways, they’re doing EVERYTHING they know how to corrupt people’s minds  by throwing up the satanic signs – the horned hands, the covering of one eye, making the pyramid sign and etc. These “artists” in the industry have been schooled to encourage the masses to tell God to - excuse me language - **** off and to follow Satan. So that when God does enact his judgment on Earth and return to Earth, Satan will have as many as he can with him – and Satan uses tricks that are SO clever and so deceiving that you would never know that it’s Satan unless you read your bible and then do research on what is good and what is evil.  So knowing all this, NOW is the time Scott to make your STAND, make your CHOICE – who are you going to stand with when it comes time for – excuse my language – the **** to hit the fan? Are you going to stand and DIE for God and be with God for all eternity or are you going to stand for and DIE for Satan and be in his tormenting realm for all eternity – OR - are you going to continue to hold on to the things of this satanic world and to Satan’s hand and to continue to THINK you’re holding on to God’s hand and STILL DIE and be in SATAN’S tormenting realm for all eternity. You can’t have it both ways Scott – so what’s it gonna be man?

 

 

I will post the videos I have that serves as back up proof to what I’m saying and shows that I’m not judging you, just trying to give you some spiritual advice, videos that also show proof of how sick and satanic this world and “the industry” is….Take care Scott , this will be the last comment I make on your FB page here because I have nothing else to say on this matter but I hope you make a change in your life, a REAL change. Here’s hoping you stop playing with God and get real with him – before too late.  Whitney Houston gave up her last chance, don’t do the same man…."

 

Now upon me writing this, this other guy named Jim wrote me saying I was judging Scott and that "God" doesn't care whether we throw up the Baphomet, listen to satanic artists - as long as we have faith, that's all that matters. And I told him that first of all, the heavenly father is not named God, he's named God and that if we are to be apart of God and claim to be christians, we can't listen to satanic music, throw up the baphomet and other satanic signs, hang with satanic people and then be surprised when the devil starts attacking us and then think that God is going to save us. Well this Jim guy wasn't hearing it, calling me a judgmental hypocrite and that everything that happens in the world is not Satan and that I'm giving satan too much power and that the industry is not like I said - with it being satanic and that Scott didn't know he was throwing up the baphomet or else he would not have done such a thing and so I said but that's why I'm TELLING Scott - because he didn't know but you can't be a christian and a FOLLOWER of God and listen to Jay Z, listen to Rihanna, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, go to these Hollywood parties, go drink and party with those whom you KNOW are satanic, and throw up the baphomet and still call yourself a follower of God. So he kept on bashing what I was saying over and over and I just deleted the warning posts I made on Scott's page. I felt even though God told me to tell Scott and warn Scott about this, it wasn't worth it anymore trying to warn Scott because of this guy trying to make ME feel and think like I'm the wrong one. He just so discouraged me to the point where I began to believe "hmm, maybe I am wrong here".

 

 

So my question is this, am I wrong here? Can you still be a follower and christian of God and listen to satanic, musical artists, drink and party with satanic stars, throw up the baphomet and the pyramid and just live this life WAY un-contrary to God's plan? Does it take more than just having faith to be a christian and follower of God? Please write me back and let me know because this Jim guy has me confused now. So I just want some confirmation, was I right with what I've said on Scott's FB page so far?

[wingnut-]

You didn't say anything wrong in my opinion.  There is one thing I would add that maybe you are not aware of.  He has a drug problem, and an alcohol problem, and that is why he is now having financial problems.  What he needs is prayer and help from a therapist.

[Ezra]

So my question is this, am I wrong here? Can you still be a follower and christian of God and listen to satanic, musical artists, drink and party with satanic stars, throw up the baphomet and the pyramid and just live this life WAY un-contrary to God's plan? Does it take more than just having faith to be a christian and follower of God? Please write me back and let me know because this Jim guy has me confused now. So I just want some confirmation, was I right with what I've said on Scott's FB page so far?

Since you recognized Satanic practices and teachings and pointed them out to a fellow Christian you did the right thing (Jas 5:19,20).  That is not judging but helping.  And yes, repentance is a requirement for genuine salvation (Acts 17:30).  We are commanded to repent and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).  You don't have to be confused or feel bad about what you felt was the right thing to do.  That is Satan trying to intimidate you.

[Katrina 2015]

 

So my question is this, am I wrong here? Can you still be a follower and christian of God and listen to satanic, musical artists, drink and party with satanic stars, throw up the baphomet and the pyramid and just live this life WAY un-contrary to God's plan? Does it take more than just having faith to be a christian and follower of God? Please write me back and let me know because this Jim guy has me confused now. So I just want some confirmation, was I right with what I've said on Scott's FB page so far?

Since you recognized Satanic practices and teachings and pointed them out to a fellow Christian you did the right thing (Jas 5:19,20).  That is not judging but helping.  And yes, repentance is a requirement for genuine salvation (Acts 17:30).  We are commanded to repent and to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21).  You don't have to be confused or feel bad about what you felt was the right thing to do.  That is Satan trying to intimidate you.

 

 

Yes thank you, I thought I was doing the right thing but this Jim guy had me feeling like I was in the wrong and I knew I wasn't, but foolishly I removed the original post I made on the FB fan page. Anyway, I didn't even think about giving Scott this warning but that night, God told me to tell Scott this and so that is what I did. And as far as Scott being on drugs and alcohol, yes he was before as he admitted it but in the videos he made detailing about his misfortunes, he seemed to be very sober and I believe he was and is. However I do know from my previous times of being involved with the industry that it's a very satanic industry and in order to be known an even higher degree in the industry and have great industry success and wealth, you have to sell your soul and take part in satanic rituals which eventually leads to you having to make a satanic blood sacrifice - and you don't partake in any of the satanic rituals or make a blood sacrifice - or if you wish not to do so - and they'll freeze your account with the banking system, and ruin/blackball you within the industry and cause you to go through or suffer rather - through numerous financial problems (such as the ones Scott is suffering though) and eventually they'll end your life. This is not just rumor or theory, this is fact that I know - so that is what is happening with Scott. There was something the satanic industry wanted him to comply with and do, that Scott - as the christian he says he is, refused to do, so they decided to ruin him publicly and finacially and made threats - very legititmate threats on his life. Which is why I believe God told me to warn Scott, warn him to change his ways for the better and do away with that satanic industry and that satanic life - before he does lose his life and his soul and that was what I was trying to do, what I did.

[alien224]

You are correct in what you said, and yes sadly Scott Stap has problems with addiction and mental illness. I have been praying for Scott and his family. It is so very sad. The thing about addiction and mental illness is that you can't talk to them or reason with them. Anyone who doesn't agree with them becomes an enemy pretty fast. (While over medicated, self medicated or under medicated which is a problem for the whole family.) I know God can change people and I pray he changes so he can get to know his children/ family. God is good!

[Servant of the Lion]

Okay... I am going to try and tread lightly with this one and I am not sure if anyone will like what they read, but here we go.

 

Regarding the reasons that Scott is in the situation he is in, I have doubts it had anything to do with a love of JayZ music or throwing up the "Horns" as they were. The symbol for the horns as you called them, used to also be for "Hang loose". As far as Anton Levay using the symbol. Well how would Anton even know? If Anton Levay instead decided to use hugs and claim they were the symbol for the devil would anyone believe him? I don't think it would even be a discussion. It doesn't matter if it is the horns/hang loose hand sign, or a golden calf, these symbols are only as damaging as the faith or worship you put in them. The same could be said of anything that is put before God.

 

As far as JayZ and and his wife. I doubt Scott even knows that JayZ said any of that. I have over 400 saved songs on my grooveshark account. I know the lyrics or meaning of maybe twenty of those. That includes songs from my favorite artists. I have read or watched maybe five or six artist interviews in my life. Regardless of what a music artist may sing about, we have free will to make our own decisions of believing or agreeing with what they sing about. Scott is a born again Christian despite what you said JayZ is singing, and that does not make Scott guilty of anything, in fact, more of us should be strong enough to not go along and agree with what is currently being said in mainstream music or media.

 

Also, the satanic bible doesn't even acknowledge the existence of the devil. Openly embracing evil doesn't appeal to many and those who are embracing evil are probably already heading for destruction. That book tries to target good people who are just tired of seeing evil in the world and wish they had the power to change it. Like the serpent in the garden trying to befriend Eve, it tries to teach elevation of self to Godhood by "good" deeds. I do not reccomend telling people that say they do not follow a religion because they believe that as long as they are good people they will be fine, that that is the same teaching written in the Satanic Bible. It doesn't go over very well with them.

 

The dream you had of Christians being hunted is a pretty common one. I had a similar dream myself. It was the exact same way too. Christians dubbed terrorists in the media, and hunted down. Entire churches rounded up on Sunday. In my dream though, we were warned. He told us when they would come for us, what to pack, and when we need to flee. Pray that is so if it ever does happen.

 

I hope this post was not offensive to anyone, but there was a bit of misunderstanding there and I hope our OP has a better understanding now of what God was trying to tell him, in fact, I hope this was just what he needed for everything to click into place. Pray for Scott and his family, and remember that they need the love and support of Christians right now more than being told God is punishing them for listening to certain music or making hand gestures. Love is always our first priority.

[disciplehelovestoo]

a little humor may help here:

 

a Christian dies and goes to heaven. when he gets to the pearl gates, he sees Peter and says 'Peter, i've lived a Christian life all of my life and i'm here to receive my reward!' 
Peter: hmm; well, we have a points system in place for people like you, and it takes a thousand points to get in - what have you done? 
man, visibly shaken: well, uh...i married the first girl i dated and never looked at another woman in lust! 
Peter: that's half a point; what else? 
man, now clearly stunned: ok; umm...i went to church every time the doors opened and spent all my vacations on mission trips! 
Peter: half a point; what else? 
man, now perspiring heavily: wow; well i gave tithes of all my gross income and offerings above that! 
Peter: half a point; what else? 
man, now desperate: Lord have mercy; what does it take to get a thousand points?!? 
Peter: BINGO! ASKING FOR MERCY IS WORTH A THOUSAND POINTS - come on in brother! 

 

holiness is not a goal that you work toward to qualify for God's blessings; it is not a root of relationship with God - it is a fruit of relationship with God.  you seem to be concerned with performance rather than fellowship - the more you are led by God, the less you will sin because He will never lead you to sin.  if you strive to seek God first, you will sin less; if you strive to sin less, you will miss His leading as you are led by your own reason - let Him decide what faults to focus on, in others as well as in your own life.

 

if you look closely at what the bible says about Paul bringing Christianity to the Ephesians, you will find no evidence that he ever pointed out how unglodly it was for them to worship diana - he didn't correct them for their ungodliness; he told them the good news that they could receive the blessings of God by placing faith in Jesus' perfect godliness.

 

rather than point out what people are doing that they shouldn't, tell them about the good God that will lead them out of darkness through love - it's not the badness of the fruits of sin that causes people to change - it's the goodness of God that causes true repentance.  let Him do the correcting, your job is to get them into fellowship with Him so they will hear HIS priorities for correcting faults and behaviors.  once you see that they are focused on God, if He leads you to point out a fault, by all means do so - but remember to remind  them about the GOOD news first, and be careful to correct based on love and not law - there is no ministry of correction, just a ministry of reconciliation - correction should be an exception to your efforts to get people into fellowship with God after they've heard the good news of reconciliation from you

 

this should help:

 

http://www.awmi.net/extra/audio/1014

[Sevenseas]

I don't have a problem with what you said either.  In fact, I think it's pretty good...just reading it.

 

I don't follow or listen to this group but I am aware of them but not that the lead singer said he was a Christian.

 

 

 

Now upon me writing this, this other guy named Jim wrote me saying I was judging Scott and that "God" doesn't care whether we throw up the Baphomet, listen to satanic artists - as long as we have faith, that's all that matters. 

 

I don't believe that.  God does care about what we do, listen to and watch.  How do people suppose Christians become involved with the occult if God doesn't care?

That observation doesn't even make sense but typical of the 'don't judge' Christians who actually do not even judge themselves...or examine themselves in the

light of God's word.

 

We are not to judge the heart and people's motives, but let's call sin what it is...God certainly does!

 

 

 

So my question is this, am I wrong here? Can you still be a follower and christian of God and listen to satanic, musical artists, drink and party with satanic stars, throw up the baphomet and the pyramid and just live this life WAY un-contrary to God's plan? Does it take more than just having faith to be a christian and follower of God? Please write me back and let me know because this Jim guy has me confused now. So I just want some confirmation, was I right with what I've said on Scott's FB page so far?

 

I think you know that you cannot do the things you mention.

 

Our journey with our Lord BEGINS with faith...we are called, actually, to a life of holiness...holiness meaning not perfection, but separation TO God and FROM the world

We are IN the world as the Bible states, but not OF the world.  

 

Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  I John 2:15

 

 

Anyway, kudoos to you...I don't see judgement here...just a thoughtful and inciteful and I believe biblical exposition of why Mr. Scott is as he is

[Katrina 2015]

I don't have a problem with what you said either.  In fact, I think it's pretty good...just reading it.

 

I don't follow or listen to this group but I am aware of them but not that the lead singer said he was a Christian.

 

 

 

Now upon me writing this, this other guy named Jim wrote me saying I was judging Scott and that "God" doesn't care whether we throw up the Baphomet, listen to satanic artists - as long as we have faith, that's all that matters. 

 

I don't believe that.  God does care about what we do, listen to and watch.  How do people suppose Christians become involved with the occult if God doesn't care?

That observation doesn't even make sense but typical of the 'don't judge' Christians who actually do not even judge themselves...or examine themselves in the

light of God's word.

 

We are not to judge the heart and people's motives, but let's call sin what it is...God certainly does!

 

 

 

So my question is this, am I wrong here? Can you still be a follower and christian of God and listen to satanic, musical artists, drink and party with satanic stars, throw up the baphomet and the pyramid and just live this life WAY un-contrary to God's plan? Does it take more than just having faith to be a christian and follower of God? Please write me back and let me know because this Jim guy has me confused now. So I just want some confirmation, was I right with what I've said on Scott's FB page so far?

 

I think you know that you cannot do the things you mention.

 

Our journey with our Lord BEGINS with faith...we are called, actually, to a life of holiness...holiness meaning not perfection, but separation TO God and FROM the world

We are IN the world as the Bible states, but not OF the world.  

 

Do not love the world nor the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.  I John 2:15

 

 

Anyway, kudoos to you...I don't see judgement here...just a thoughtful and inciteful and I believe biblical exposition of why Mr. Scott is as he is

 

 

Thank you, as I stated, I thought I didn't say anything wrong. It's just a shame I erased the message I posted on Scott's FB page - because I felt I was in the wrong because God told me to tell him and I wrote it for him to see it and I feel like this Jim guy was just a demonic spirit trying to bash me so that I would remove it and feel like I'm in the wrong - thus keeping Scott going the wrong way in sin because satan and his demons love when people are doing the wrong things and going the wrong way as far as christianity is concerned.

[Blue Moon]

Sasha, If you think you should not have removed your message from Facebook, why not simply repost it, with a comment about how you were initially intimidated, by responses you received, to take it down, but you realized that you were mistaken to do so?