The 1,335 days prophecy

[Sister]

 

I'm only going to reply to your post in brief. You are welcome to whatever beliefs you like to find in Daniel. However, until you put some deep study into the relevant history of the era of Antiochus IV Ephipanes, you are going to be lost about what the prophet is referring to in Dan. 8 and 11.

 

I would suggest this source for starters: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/guzik_david/StudyGuide_Dan/Dan_8.cfm?a=858001

 

 

William

 

The writer of the article you have advised us to read by David Guzik is giving us his interpretation.  You have advised us to listen to him in order to gain understanding.

Christ said we must feed on his flesh.  What you have given us is strange flesh.  Are you advising us to listen to this other man instead?

 

Christ flesh is the Word of God, that is what we need to study, and not someone else's interpretation to find truth. 

Why not bring the Word on to the table now?

 

 Daniel 8:8   Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

  Daniel 8:9   And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

  Daniel 8:10   And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

  Daniel 8:11   Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

  Daniel 8:12   And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

  Daniel 8:13   Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

  Daniel 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

 

When will the sanctuary be cleansed, is the real question?  We can start from here.

[wingnut-]

Do you think that the 1,335th "blessed day" could be the day that Jesus comes with His angels to gather the elect?

It is my opinion that the abomination of desolation is set up 1,290 days after the daily sacrifice is taken away, not at the same time as most teach. If so, there will be 44 days between the abomination of desolation and the "blessed day".   This 44 day period must be the great tribulation period.

 

Let me know your opinions.

 

Jeff

 

 

Hello Jeff,

 

I think this is a good question you ask, so then I guess it just becomes a matter of identifying what day we believe the "blessed day" is.  First, I look to see what is said regarding the day of His coming.

 

Zephaniah 1:¹⁵ A day of wrath is that day,

A day of trouble and distress,

A day of destruction and desolation,

A day of darkness and gloom,

A day of clouds and thick darkness,

¹⁶ A day of trumpet and battle cry

Against the fortified cities

And the high corner towers.

 

Amos 5:¹⁸ Alas, you who are longing for the day of the Lord,

For what purpose will the day of the Lord be to you?

It will be darkness and not light;

¹⁹ As when a man flees from a lion

And a bear meets him,

Or goes home, leans his hand against the wall

And a snake bites him.

²⁰ Will not the day of the Lord be darkness instead of light,

Even gloom with no brightness in it?

 

In those few examples I have a hard time defining this day as "blessed."  This day is the one I would define as the "blessed" day.

 

 

Revelation 21  Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. ² And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. ³ And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, ⁴ and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

 

Revelation 22:³ There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve Him; ⁴ they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

 

Revelation 22:¹⁴ Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

 

 

To me when we are looking for a day to define a "blessed" day, this one jumps out as the top contender.  Just something for you to consider, God bless.

[Last Daze]

Do you think that the 1,335th "blessed day" could be the day that Jesus comes with His angels to gather the elect?

 

I don't see a reference to a "blessed day" but rather blessed people who attain unto the 1335th day.

 

How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!  Daniel 12:12

 

As I see it, the 45 day period between 1290 and 1335 is a time of testing.  Who will remain true to the Lord and wait for Him to come like a thief in the night?  Who is it that has brought extra oil?  Blessed is he.

[WilliamL]

 

 

I'm only going to reply to your post in brief. You are welcome to whatever beliefs you like to find in Daniel. However, until you put some deep study into the relevant history of the era of Antiochus IV Ephipanes, you are going to be lost about what the prophet is referring to in Dan. 8 and 11.

 

I would suggest this source for starters: http://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/guzik_david/StudyGuide_Dan/Dan_8.cfm?a=858001

 

 

William

 

The writer of the article you have advised us to read by David Guzik is giving us his interpretation.  You have advised us to listen to him in order to gain understanding.

Christ said we must feed on his flesh.  What you have given us is strange flesh.  Are you advising us to listen to this other man instead?

 

Christ flesh is the Word of God, that is what we need to study, and not someone else's interpretation to find truth. 

Why not bring the Word on to the table now?

 

 Daniel 8:8   Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.

  Daniel 8:9   And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

  Daniel 8:10   And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

  Daniel 8:11   Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.

  Daniel 8:12   And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

  Daniel 8:13   Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

  Daniel 8:14   And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

 

 

When will the sanctuary be cleansed, is the real question?  We can start from here.

 

When Judas Maccabeus cleansed it, which event is celebrated in the Jewish Feast of Lights, a.k.a Hanukkah, a.k.a. Feast of (Re-)Dedication (of the Temple). John 10:22

Edited February 27, 2015 by WilliamL

[Sister]

  When will the sanctuary be cleansed, is the real question?  We can start from here.

 

WilliamL,, said:

When Judas Maccabeus cleansed it, which event is celebrated in the Jewish Feast of Lights, a.k.a Hanukkah, a.k.a. Feast of (Re-)Dedication (of the Temple). John 10:22

 

 

William,

 

The scriptures always point to Christ.  There is no other man named under heaven or earth that can do the job of cleansing the sanctuary, ...for strangers have polluted the sanctuary of God.  False beliefs and doctrines have been introduced, and have infiltrated the truth.  No body else can qualify for this job but Christ.

 

Isaiah 48:11   For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

 

 

The sanctuary today stands polluted.

 

Jeremiah 51:51   We are confounded, because we have heard reproach: shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the sanctuaries of the LORD'S house.

 

Ezekiel 44:7   In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations.

 

Psalms 74:3   Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary.

Psalms 74:4   Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.

Psalms 74:7   They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.
Psalms 74:8   They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.

 

 

 

Joel 3:21   For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.

 

This can only happen when Christ returns.  The sanctuary will be cleansed.  They will be fed truth, and cleansed according to truth.  The sanctuary is made of truth.

 

 

In the meantime, some more scriptures to show you that the sanctuary is polluted;

 

Lamentations 2:7   The Lord hath cast off his altar, he hath abhorred his sanctuary, he hath given up into the hand of the enemy the walls of her palaces; they have made a noise in the house of the LORD, as in the day of a solemn feast.

 

Ezekiel 5:11   Wherefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD; Surely, because thou hast defiled my sanctuary with all thy detestable things, and with all thine abominations, therefore will I also diminish thee; neither shall mine eye spare, neither will I have any pity.

 

After Christ was crucified and killed, Israel had 70 years to repent.  Those that did were persecuted, and others fled. Those who still refused Christ had their city destroyed and temple destroyed, ....but the sanctuary is not just a physical temple, but a place where one can go to for truth to find God, through Jesus Christ.  This other sanctuary or place of truth, God has given over to the enemy.  This is where Babylon goes to for truth, and not the true seekers.  The true seekers will go directly to the Word of God for truth, and God will lead them to truth, not with false interpretations, but with his pure Word, providing them with his pure doctrine.  His Word is what we use for guidance, correction and reproof, and we can trust his Word.

The Christians who remain in Babylon and refuse to come out of her will use Babylon to seek truth, but will not find it. They will not hear the true shepherd, nor recognise his voice,  for they will only hear a strangers voice.

 

[Sister]

William

 

Who commended Judas Maccabeus for truth?  I can't find his name in my bible, nor his referral by the Lord to hear him.  The author is unknown.  It was written in 100BC.  It seems to be a record of events, and how true I don't know, but what's it doing in the bible, if only a record of events?  And why even use it for reproof?, for it's not the Word of God speaking.

 

I read this in the introduction;

"The people of Israel have been specially chosen by the one true God as his covenant-partner, and they alone are privileged to know him and worship him"

Do you see anything wrong this this?

 

 Psalms 81:11   But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
 Psalms 81:12   So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
 Psalms 81:13   Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!

 

So if Israel here alone are priviledged to know him, then why did God say this?

 

Psalms 18:44   As soon as they hear of me, they shall obey me: the strangers shall submit themselves unto me.

 

Deuteronomy 32:21   They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

 

 

also;

1 Maccabees 9:19  Jonathon and Simon took their brother Judas and buried him in the tomb of their fathers at Modein.

1 Maccabees 9:20  All Israel bewailed him in great grief.  They mourned for him many days, and they said, How the mighty one has fallen, the savior of Israel.

Do you see anything wrong with this?

 

Isaiah 48:11   For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

 

 

1 Maccabees 2:65   Here is your brother Simeon who I know is a wise man; listen to him always, and he will be a father to you.

 Acts 7:32   Saying, I am the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold.

 Acts 13:17   The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.

 

God chose the fathers.  Simeon never mentioned as a father. 

Israel's "fathers" were from the beginning, before they multiplied, not from 100 yrs BC.  They would be called "sons" by this stage.

 

 

1 Maccabees 2:68  Pay back the Gentiles what they deserve, and observe the precepts of the law.

Micah 5:15   And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.

Deuteronomy 32:35   To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

 

 

 

The sanctuary will be cleansed at the 2nd Coming.  The sanctuary is truth. 

Ezekiel 37:26   Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

 

Test everything William, for strangers have entered the Lords sanctuary.

If it contradicts the holy scriptures, don't accept it.

Remember Christ's words

 

John 6:54   Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:55   For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

John 6:56   He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

 

Christ is "The Word of God".

to eat Christ's flesh, we must eat The Word of God to find truth.

If we eat someone else's flesh, then we are eating strange flesh, and not obeying Christ.

 

John 6:63   It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

John 14:23   Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 15:7   If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

 

John 17:8   For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

[WilliamL]

 

  When will the sanctuary be cleansed, is the real question?  We can start from here.

 

WilliamL,, said:

When Judas Maccabeus cleansed it, which event is celebrated in the Jewish Feast of Lights, a.k.a Hanukkah, a.k.a. Feast of (Re-)Dedication (of the Temple). John 10:22

 

 

The scriptures always point to Christ.  There is no other man named under heaven or earth that can do the job of cleansing the sanctuary, ...for strangers have polluted the sanctuary of God.  False beliefs and doctrines have been introduced, and have infiltrated the truth.  No body else can qualify for this job but Christ.

Scripture says differently. In the days of King Hezekiah,

 

2 Chr. 29:17 Now they began to sanctify on the first day of the first month, and on the eighth day of the month they came to the vestibule of the LORD. So they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days, and on the sixteenth day of the first month they finished. 18 Then they went in to King Hezekiah and said, “We have cleansed all the house of the LORD, the altar of burnt offerings with all its articles, and the table of the showbread with all its articles.

 

The Maccabees, of the priestly line of Aaron, were likewise perfectly authorized and able to cleanse and rededicate the House of the Lord in their own day.

 

You've got it in your mind that this passage can only refer to End Time events, even while everything within the passage perfectly prophesied and described events that took place in the days of the Maccabees. In detail. You just refuse to accept this, because you've already made up your mind otherwise. So be it.

[Sister]

William

 

Remember that the good shepherd cares for the sheep.  If we stray, and get a bit lost, he will go look for us and bring us back.  He does this because he loves us.  The hireling does not care for the sheep.

The good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.  The hireling never does that.

 

When we hear Jesus speak, that same voice is the voice of the holy bible, for Christ is the Word of God, but strangers have entered the sanctuary, and we were warned.  Those strangers are still standing in the sanctuary today.  They were not called, but they broke in.  They are theives and they come to take what's not theirs.  They have not been removed yet.  Only the Word of God can remove them and cleanse his sanctuary so that there remains only one language,... one truth.  The sanctuary will be cleansed at the coming when all things will be exposed and put right.  So it's not to your shame that I share this with you, but for your edification, because I also care for the sheep who are my brothers and sisters, and I am not a hireling, but part of the flock.

 

  John 10:1   Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

  John 10:2   But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

  John 10:3   To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

  John 10:4   And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

  John 10:5   And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

  John 10:6   This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

  John 10:7   Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

  John 10:8   All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

  John 10:9   I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

  John 10:10   The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

  John 10:11   I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

  John 10:12   But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

  John 10:13   The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

  John 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

  John 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

  John 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

  John 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

  John 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

[Serving]

 

 

  When will the sanctuary be cleansed, is the real question?  We can start from here.

 

WilliamL,, said:

When Judas Maccabeus cleansed it, which event is celebrated in the Jewish Feast of Lights, a.k.a Hanukkah, a.k.a. Feast of (Re-)Dedication (of the Temple). John 10:22

 

 

The scriptures always point to Christ.  There is no other man named under heaven or earth that can do the job of cleansing the sanctuary, ...for strangers have polluted the sanctuary of God.  False beliefs and doctrines have been introduced, and have infiltrated the truth.  No body else can qualify for this job but Christ.

Scripture says differently. In the days of King Hezekiah,

 

2 Chr. 29:17 Now they began to sanctify on the first day of the first month, and on the eighth day of the month they came to the vestibule of the LORD. So they sanctified the house of the LORD in eight days, and on the sixteenth day of the first month they finished. 18 Then they went in to King Hezekiah and said, “We have cleansed all the house of the LORD, the altar of burnt offerings with all its articles, and the table of the showbread with all its articles.

 

The Maccabees, of the priestly line of Aaron, were likewise perfectly authorized and able to cleanse and rededicate the House of the Lord in their own day.

 

You've got it in your mind that this passage can only refer to End Time events, even while everything within the passage perfectly prophesied and described events that took place in the days of the Maccabees. In detail. You just refuse to accept this, because you've already made up your mind otherwise. So be it.

 

 

Excuse me William ..

 

I took a brief look at the site you referred to and just wanted to point out that even within the explanation it is stated that there is definitely likely an end time duality therein also !! .. that is, that this will be repeated by the False Prophet (antichrist)

 

Just thought I'd point that out.

 

Cheers.

[WilliamL]

 

I took a brief look at the site you referred to and just wanted to point out that even within the explanation it is stated that there is definitely likely an end time duality therein also !! .. that is, that this will be repeated by the False Prophet (antichrist)

 

Just thought I'd point that out.

That is his opinion, being a pre-tribber of the Calvary Chapel school. His history is accurate; his opinion is an opinion only, not holy writ.

 

Do you really believe there will be [or has been] another ram and he-goat battle in our days, and the he-goat's horn will be broken, and there will be another 4 horns that will arise in its place, etc. etc.? If so, I'd love to see the evidence of this. If not, and you believe all these things are yet future, then you should admit that Christ's return cannot possibly take place in our lifetimes. Either course of events is a pretty hard sell, IMHO.

 

Or, do you just want to be able to cherry-pick the parts of Dan. 8 that are convenient to your End Time theory, and ignore the parts that are not? That is what a lot of people do when they try to interpret the various prophecies of Daniel. But they only deceive themselves and others, and introduce much confusion into End Time discourse.

 

Either discussions of eschatology base themselves upon two or three solid scriptural and/or historical witnesses, or they don't. When they do, then we get solid stones of understanding upon which to build. When they don't, then we get long chains of unsupported theories linked together, which can sound perfectly reasonable and logical, but in reality are only examples of circular reasoning:

 

" a use of reason in which the premises depends on or is equivalent to the conclusion, a method of false logic by which "this is used to prove that, and that is used to prove this"; also called circular logic. "

 

When you take a hard look at pre-trib teachings, you find a great amount of circular reasoning. (And not just pre-trib teachings, by any means.)