The Great Flood and the Foundations of the Earth

[Kan]

There are several points made in your post, so I replied to the ones most closely associated with the topic. Please specify, perhaps in point form, which things you want to talk about, and we'll take it from there.

you are a funny guy. 

As for my "qualifications," "training," etc, the Bible is a great leveler because God can reveal what He wants to anyone of His choosing. Education might help, but seldom does God take notice of that when someone asks for wisdom and insight. There is no discrimination with God, when it comes to that.

I have found that qualifications in these areas do not help one listen to the Bible, rather they tend to work the other way, putting the educated at a disadvantage. What the Spirit reveals is far above any education in this world.

 

Edited October 13, 2015 by Kan
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[SavedOnebyGrace]

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

Try as I will, I cannot get the underlined sentences  (in blue) to make sense. 

You are certainly not the only one. Is it the way I put it or the concept itself?

Let me put into my own words what I think you're saying in the underlined passages of your post.  Let's start with Adam and Eve being the parents of all mankind.  So there's a lot of inbreeding going on in the early generations of man.  So instead of each subsequent generation being more intelligent, a dilution of "brain-power" occurs, albeit slowly.  Man slowly loses his superiority in the new hostile world and he doesn't live as long.  In science, we call this the second law of thermodynamics.  Another way of putting this is the law of diminishing returns.

Take a look at the book "Lord of the Flies".  Isn't that much more likely than the next Steve Jobs miraculously showing up in their midst and creating a computer or cell phone, regardless of time allowed?  Isn't it more likely that anarchy would reign, especially without a moral (Judeo/Christian) compass?  This is what I gleaned from what you wrote. 

[archaeologist55]

There are several points made in your post, so I replied to the ones most closely associated with the topic. Please specify, perhaps in point form, which things you want to talk about, and we'll take it from there.

you are a funny guy. 

As for my "qualifications," "training," etc, the Bible is a great leveler because God can reveal what He wants to anyone of His choosing. Education might help, but seldom does God take notice of that when someone asks for wisdom and insight. There is no discrimination with God, when it comes to that.

I have found that qualifications in these areas do not help one listen to the Bible, rather they tend to work the other way, putting the educated at a disadvantage. What the Spirit reveals is far above any education in this world.

 

really?? Have you ever taken the time to see how many times God speaks about becoming educated? about teaching others? or about obtaining knowledge?

so you insult my God given education and say it is not of God?  you are not an authority and you should refrain from thinking that you are. you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about and you misguide and mislead too many on this website.

your posts are full of nonsense and ridiculous ideas that have nothing to do with the word of God. I may get warned for saying these things but someone needs to tell you that you are off the mark and hurting the church.

[Kan]

Yes, many have said that the Bible is largely based on much older writings than Moses, i,e. the legends and myths before Israel. 

What they don't know is that when a civilization began to use written languages and codes to record and transfer information, it was a sign that the memory and intellectual powers were weakening. This was one reason God inspired men like Moses to make a written record for future generations, because He knew that the information cannot be entrusted to memory alone. The human intellect would decline with future generations.

So if the Bible was written later than the earlier legends, it proves that the line of Israel was more intelligent than previous generations. This is an argument that we won't hear from the so called 'intelligent' today, because they believe that knowledge and intelligence has progressed and not declined. It is nigh impossible to convince such of the truth. Even Christians say that the ancient peoples like the Jews were primitive, while people today are much brighter, - because they have mobile phones? (To help them find their way and be on time, because they have no proper sense of time, space, events or geography, and their memories are so inadequate that everything has to be stored, in images, sound and text. Have you seen what happens when they lose their phone? They become helpless, lost and frantic.)

You may have heard of a secret book or diary that Noah's wife wrote and kept, which somehow was found by who knows? We know it's fake, because written material was not necessary for these people.

Try as I will, I cannot get the underlined sentences  (in blue) to make sense. 

You are certainly not the only one. Is it the way I put it or the concept itself?

Let me put into my own words what I think you're saying in the underlined passages of your post.  Let's start with Adam and Eve being the parents of all mankind.  So there's a lot of inbreeding going on in the early generations of man.  So instead of each subsequent generation being more intelligent, a dilution of "brain-power" occurs, albeit slowly.  Man slowly loses his superiority in the new hostile world and he doesn't live as long.  In science, we call this the second law of thermodynamics.  Another way of putting this is the law of diminishing returns.

Take a look at the book "Lord of the Flies".  Isn't that much more likely than the next Steve Jobs miraculously showing up in their midst and creating a computer or cell phone, regardless of time allowed?  Isn't it more likely that anarchy would reign, especially without a moral (Judeo/Christian) compass?  This is what I gleaned from what you wrote. 

Something like that, with the exception of inbreeding at the start, which became a problem after the flood and not before. Sin had wrecked the creation of God over time, as it still does.

[Kan]

There are several points made in your post, so I replied to the ones most closely associated with the topic. Please specify, perhaps in point form, which things you want to talk about, and we'll take it from there.

you are a funny guy. 

As for my "qualifications," "training," etc, the Bible is a great leveler because God can reveal what He wants to anyone of His choosing. Education might help, but seldom does God take notice of that when someone asks for wisdom and insight. There is no discrimination with God, when it comes to that.

I have found that qualifications in these areas do not help one listen to the Bible, rather they tend to work the other way, putting the educated at a disadvantage. What the Spirit reveals is far above any education in this world.

 

really?? Have you ever taken the time to see how many times God speaks about becoming educated? about teaching others? or about obtaining knowledge?

so you insult my God given education and say it is not of God?  you are not an authority and you should refrain from thinking that you are. you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about and you misguide and mislead too many on this website.

your posts are full of nonsense and ridiculous ideas that have nothing to do with the word of God. I may get warned for saying these things but someone needs to tell you that you are off the mark and hurting the church.

I did not imply that education is ungodly in itself, we should try to be educated, but the systems of education have worldly tendencies in philosophy which deny God as the creator, which we should be cautious of, because they fail to recognize the divine authority of the Bible.

The main point is that when it comes to asking God for answers to questions about nature and our world, He does not discriminate on the basis of our education, He gives freely to all who ask for wisdom, as promised in the Bible - for e.g, in the book of James.

An education in worldly institutions may prevent someone from grasping truths about nature in the Bible, depending on how careful one was to note where there are differences. On the other hand, a Christian is able to take advantage of an education if they are strong.

[FresnoJoe]

 insult my God given education and say it is not of God?  you are not an authority and you should refrain from thinking that you are.....

you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about and you misguide and mislead too many on this website....

your posts are full of nonsense and ridiculous ideas that have nothing to do with the word of God....

 you are off the mark and hurting the church....

 

Beloved,

By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith. Hebrews 11:7

God

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. though they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Romans 1:18-23 (NIV)

Knows

For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength. 1 Corinthians 1:25 (NIV)

~

Be Blessed

And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Hebrews 11:6 (NIV)

Beloved Of The KING

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 (KJV)

Love, Your Brother Joe

[Ocean22]

The Bible says that the waters prevailed over the earth and above the highest mountain.

 

Today we have the Himalayan mountains as the tallest in the world, did the waters cover these?

According to the Bible yes.

 

Were there higher mountains than Everest in the pre flood world? Apparently yes, according to some writings and traditions.

 

But that does not leave us with a greater challenge to find out how they were covered, because if it can be done with Everest, why not a higher one?

 

The concept of the water level rising uniformly world over, is not necessarily the case, but persisted on by so called science which subsequently denies the flood, and yet even today the oceans are not spread out uniformly in level, they differ by as much as 100 meters, which is about fifty times the depth of a tide.

 

Does anyone want to have a go at explaining that? because the answer will tell us something about the behavior of water on a large scale which occurred during the flood.

 

 

What Science Doesn't Know

 

He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Ecclesiastes 3:11

 

A clinical interview with a bright student reveals a common misconception about how shells were embedded into the rocks on the top of Mount Everest: the sea level was much higher in the past. While it is true that sea level varies over geologic time, scientist Britt Argow describes the current scientific interpretation of the Mount Everest fossil shells. She claims that plate tectonic activity—the collision of the Indian Plate with the Asian Plate 40 million years ago—pushed former seafloor skyward, creating the Himalayan mountain range. Featured Scientist: Keith Klepeis, Ph.D. http://www.learner.org/series/modules/express/pages/scimod_32.html

 

God Does

 

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Genesis 7:11

I've always had a problem where the water came from and where it went.  That's why I previously embraced Noah's Flood as a large local flood covering the Mediterranean and Black Seas because the people of that time did not understand the concept of a round Earth.  The same word is used for land as earth which makes the understanding of a local flood possible.  And several books have been written about a large, but local flood in the area and well beyond.  But this science news has given me cause to re-evaluate this position.  Of course, the Gap Theory supports a global flood before Genesis 1:2 and man's creation, that could be the cause of all kinds of life remnants finding its way to the tops of the highest mountains.

 

 

stunning evidence that that the bible is truth. 

 

https://theyoungearth.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/t-rex-soft-tissue-found-in-bone/

 

 

[Ocean22]

Sorry for the rude interject...I have been reading your site.   I have been compiling evidence that earth is young, the bible is correct in its assessment of  human origins. The bible can be trusted.  Follow my journey to the young earth. You will see...

 

https://theyoungearth.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/t-rex-soft-tissue-found-in-bone/

[Esther4:14]

So if the Lord caused the waters to cover the land, the land would sink down and nothing could change it back again, short of a miracle. the water which stands over the land in a great undulating shape, would be held there partly by the centrifugal forces of the rotation of the earth. Very much like a blanket spinning in the washing machine, it does not even itself out, but tries to throw your machine out the door. If the waters prevailed as God puts it, nothing could save the land, which would be pressed under, crushed, softened, malleable, dissolved and deposited in hundreds of layers like the entire world after. 

 

 

Beloved My Take Is That When The Deep Was Broken Up,

 

Terror and pit and snare

            Confront you, O inhabitant of the earth. Isaiah 24:18 (NASB)

 

The Tectonic Plates Were Violently Formed

 

Then it will be that he who flees the report of disaster will fall into the pit,

            And he who climbs out of the pit will be caught in the snare;

            For the windows above are opened, and the foundations of the earth shake. Isaiah 24:18 (NASB)

 

And The Very Earth Itself Was

 

The earth is broken asunder,

            The earth is split through,

            The earth is shaken violently  Isaiah 24:19 (NASB)

 

Knocked Of It's Axis

 

The earth reels to and fro like a drunkard

            And it totters like a shack,

            For its transgression is heavy upon it,

            And it will fall, never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20 (NASB)

 

And Terraformed

 

So it will happen in that day,

            That the LORD will punish the host of heaven on high,

            And the kings of the earth on earth. Isaiah 24:21 (NASB)

 

(One Again) By It's Creator

 

They will be gathered together

            Like prisoners in the dungeon,

            And will be confined in prison;

            And after many days they will be punished. Isaiah 24:22 (NASB)

   

That Is What I See

 

Then the moon will be abashed and the sun ashamed,

            For the LORD of hosts will reign on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,

            And His glory will be before His elders. Isaiah 24:23 (NASB)

 

In The Forecast Confirmed By The Earth's Story (Geology)

 

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:20

 

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This is interesting.  It makes me wonder whether their were earthquakes before the flood or whether this is how the the earthquake of Revelation 6:13 connects to the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37).  

[MorningGlory]

Sorry for the rude interject...I have been reading your site.   I have been compiling evidence that earth is young, the bible is correct in its assessment of  human origins. The bible can be trusted.  Follow my journey to the young earth. You will see...

 

https://theyoungearth.wordpress.com/2015/10/13/t-rex-soft-tissue-found-in-bone/

I dont think you need to apologize for jumping in, Ocean22.  I watched the video on the dinosaur soft tissue and I can see the amazement on the  paleontolgist's face.  And I loved the fact that the male 'talking head' is an avowed atheist.  That's Ron Reagan, son of the late Ronald Reagan, and he's the head of the Freedom From Religion Foundaion.  The discovery of the soft tissue really does throw a brand new light on the age of these fossils.