'We will not obey': Christian leaders threaten civil disobedie

[ayin jade]

I am not saying to go against Gid's will ans law, I am saying that governments are an evil unto themselves yet we are to be subject to the laws at the same time...or do I understand that scripture differently

 

We are to follow the laws of the land EXCEPT when it contradicts the laws of God. Performing a gay marriage contradicts God's laws. 

[Guest shiloh357]

Tigger, the first thing likely to happen is that churches and ministries will lose their tax exempt status.  Ministry leaders and pastors will be threatened with fines and jail time.

 

There is a city in Idaho,   Cour d leane (sp)   that has already threatened pastors with 180 days in jail and a $1,000 per day fine for each day they refuse to gay weddings.

[Guest Teditis]

Pastors can go back to simply marrying members of their congregation

[Littlelambseativy]

Just a point of argument...when do we disobey Romans 13:1-8.? and when do,we obey?

[OneLight]

The church may end up going underground, as it was in Jesus days.  What would be a better way to wake up the body?!?!?

[Guest Teditis]

Withdrawing a bit from the secular society that we live in might be the better answer...?

[Guest shiloh357]

Littlelamb,

 

Rom. 13:1-8  is simply about Christians obeying the civil laws that are good and reasonable for us obey.   But when we are asked to participate in something that goes crosswise with biblical values, that is when we must follow God rather than man.

[ayin jade]

Just a point of argument...when do we disobey Romans 13:1-8.? and when do,we obey?

 

If the law ordered you to perform an abortion would you? 

 

Of course not. To do so is to commit murder and you could not do that. It violates what the Lord says is right.

 

So could you perform a gay wedding? I couldnt. To do so would violate what the Lord says is right. 

 

We are to obey the law of the land EXCEPT where it contradicts the laws of God.

[Littlelambseativy]

Littlelamb,

 

Rom. 13:1-8  is simply about Christians obeying the civil laws that are good and reasonable for us obey.   But when we are asked to participate in something that goes crosswise with biblical values, that is when we must follow God rather than man.

I fully agree but if we do,we suffer the consequence...I agree that we cannot go against God's will and laws written on our hearts ..but there are consquences to breaking the laws of the government God put in..whether to punish man or to draw him closer to Him. We the make a choice...but regardless the rare consquences to doing what is right. Is withdrawing what God would want us to,do? Or to stand for what is right? What would our Lord do? I realize He was God, and His choice perfect..but what would He do?

[other one]

 

Littlelamb,

 

Rom. 13:1-8  is simply about Christians obeying the civil laws that are good and reasonable for us obey.   But when we are asked to participate in something that goes crosswise with biblical values, that is when we must follow God rather than man.

I fully agree but if we do,we suffer the consequence...I agree that we cannot go against God's will and laws written on our hearts ..but there are consquences to breaking the laws of the government God put in..whether to punish man or to draw him closer to Him. We the make a choice...but regardless the rare consquences to doing what is right. Is withdrawing what God would want us to,do? Or to stand for what is right? What would our Lord do? I realize He was God, and His choice perfect..but what would He do?

 

when he comes back he's going to kill them all...     not probably what he wants us to do right now.....   I just don't think we can ask what would Jesus do, but what might he want us to do.