A Long Hair, Tattoo Pastor

[MorningGlory]

I did not mean to put anyone to shame. I thought it would make an interesting topic for an intelligent conversation. I simply like to see how other people think about things and why? But if you think I am causing judgment upon people then maybe I should stop posting all together. Since that has never been my intent.

 

No, LadyKay, you should NOT stop posting.  Good grief, some people are going to get all sideways and take offense if you post about roasting marshmallows so why let others intimidate you?  Because that's what's going on here and it's a shame.  I think it's an interesting topic and, if the (sniff) holier than thou crowd can take a breath, maybe we can continue the discussion. 

[MorningGlory]

the bible says that it is a shame for man to have long hair, but where does it define the length of hair for it to be long, In my younger days my hair hung on my shoulder some, But I went to visit my Great grandmother one day she had always kept her hair up in a ball, they were fixes her hair this day. her hair was down below her knees, now that is Long hair, made my shoulder length hair look really short. so please from scripture someone define long hair. not what you been told or what you believe but from scriptures define long hair????

 

one of the greatest testimonies I have ever heard , is from a young man with hair down to his waist, He got behind the pulpit and said "I thank my God, that he is a God that can love someone lwith long hair like me" and He sat down.

 

Actually, Disciple, I don't believe that Scripture DOES define what length constitutes 'long' hair on a man....or a woman, for that matter.  If there IS such a passage, maybe someone can post it. 

[MorningGlory]

 

 

They are one of "the things of this world"

But isn't everything "a thing of this world"?

 

 

Yes.  If it's not in Heaven....it's in and of the world.  Speaking of physical things, that is. 

[Openly Curious]

His_disciple3, on 27 May 2015 - 5:39, PM, said:

the bible says that it is a shame for man to have long hair, but where does it define the length of hair for it to be long, In my younger days my hair hung on my shoulder some, But I went to visit my Great grandmother one day she had always kept her hair up in a ball, they were fixes her hair this day. her hair was down below her knees, now that is Long hair, made my shoulder length hair look really short. so please from scripture someone define long hair. not what you been told or what you believe but from scriptures define long hair????
 
one of the greatest testimonies I have ever heard , is from a young man with hair down to his waist, He got behind the pulpit and said "I thank my God, that he is a God that can love someone lwith long hair like me" and He sat down.

 

 

Not sure who you were addressing your post to but I'll give it a whirl from my own personal study of what long means. I actually took the time one day to look the word "long" up that is found in the 1 Corinthians passage of scripture from where it is referenced. The word "long" actually means to "flop" in the strong's concordance. So if your hair is a floppy then it is long. If it ain't a flopping then it is considered short by difinition of the word "long" itself. Actually that is pretty simple for me to accept as it makes logical since when you think about it. Short hair can't flop and long hair can flop. So there is a measure to measure short hair from long hair and one can personally decide within themselves by difinition of what is short and long. It is no different from being able to tell if the rope you have in your hand is short or long it's just something you can know.

But some make things difficult to where you can't tell short from long but with anything else one can tell if something is short or long. For example can you tell if your grass is short or long and needs to be mowed. Perhaps some can but others lack the ability to tell if their grass is long or needs to be cut. That's how I see it and it's pretty darn simple to me.

I judge no one who has long hair but I think it is important for your gender whatever that gender may be to be seen in the person you are whether it be male or female it shouldn't be hidden on purpose which some men and women do.  They simple do not like the fact that they were created a male or created a female as they are uncomfortable in their gender and have not come to accept it.

 

Again no judgment at all but there are other reasons why and I have no judgment at all.  Because there are some reasons for hair length that can't be helped but playing like there is no measuring stick for what is long and short isn't the way to go either. You should want to be accepted if you are carrying the gospel message and it will be a bad testimony on each of our parts if others think or get the impression we are the opposite sex than we were created to be.   I might get flack from this but there is more to this than just having long hair as a man or having short hair as a woman it is how the lost society around us percieves and receives us in the Lord.   Hair length is not a salvation issue if it was a lot of people would be in trouble because some can't help it that their hair can't grow long be it women or men.  So bringing  and making a salvation issue out of the doctrine found in scripture is wrong.

 

If you think it is a salvation issue then you are missing the whole entire picture and beauty of being created who you were as a male or female entirely from the scripture passage in 1 Corinthians. God wants to use us as men and women but he can't really do that entirely if we are not comfortable with the gender we have been given from birth. And without some differences and attractions between men and women we would cease to exist as a race of people as men wouldn't be attracted to women there'd be no marriages and no more kids and so forth.

 

Times have changed and things are more acceptable in the way of hair length today but God saw fit to give this doctrine to the church at Corinth for our learning and the perpetual ongoing of the human race.  We as the church can ignore it but then what of our influence we really don't know how ignoring the scripture really reflects upon the effectualness of our ministry or not.

There are a lot worser things people have been redeemed from and I can tell you that having long hair as a man at salvation or having short hair as a woman at salvation was never ever one of those sins put under the blood at salvation that they was forgiven of.   Scripture teaches it is a shame and not a sin to be forgiven of because it is not a sin issue. But it is that God created you to be one way and you are going against it by being another way. It's that simple. It's a shame not to be who you were created to be. This doesn't apply to every one and I get that some people can't wrap their brain around this topic. So I guess I'll just wait on the word legalistic as I'm sure it will come up I'd be shocked if it didn't. But it has nothing to do with that either.

[Guest shiloh357]

Paul's issue with long hair had to do with the men in Corinth who wore their hair long and effeminate in order to attract other men.  These were male prostitutes who had repented and left that lifestyle and that the context on why Paul was telling those Corinthian men who were new believers that they needed to cut their hair.

[Openly Curious]

I find the content of your thread which is the real shame as putting others in a place to be judgemental of such a said person with long hair and tattoos.  It is God who saves and it is God who calls and it should be left at that when it comes to making judgements on people in whom we have never met personally before.  It is a shame to put us in such a position in my personal opinion on the matter to make such a judgement.  If that makes me legalistic to take such a view towards people I do not even know then so be it.   I do know if I wanted to be pleasing to the Lord in my calling I certainly wouldn't want to be a shame in any way shape or form (referring to long hair as the issue is addressed in the New Testament as being a shame).  I would want above all else to be accepted by others around me so that I could win some to the gospel instead of being a hinderance in any compacity in the things I allow that others "may" reject.  The gospel message is not a personal matter but the gospel message to the lost is to repent for the kingdom of God is at hand,  and be ye reconciled to God if any man be in Christ he is made a new creature old things are passed away and behold all things are made new.   These topics should not be made into a joke.

 

I don't agree.  The OP simply asked for opinions; there was no request for judgment and no one HAS to respond.  We should be truthful with ourselves because we ALL have opinions and some would not accept a long haired, tattooed pastor.  That's just reality. 

In the OP LadyKay was asking specifically about a friend of hers who is a pastor who has long hair and tatoos. To me it was asking me to make a judgement on a person I have never ever seen or met before in my life. I did give my opinions but not judgment towards the man in question. I'm all for being truthful and for sharing and giving our true opionions but I can't judge someone in this case in whom I've never met. It's okay if other don't agree with my mindset it want be the first and want be the last. I just took the OP to single a person out a person she knew personally and wanted up to give our judgment on his appearance of having long hair and tattoo's. I know God saves and saves to the uttermost but not every one who names the name of Christ is His. I thought reserving my judgment on someone I've never met was the way for me to go. Others don't have to follow or agree.

[Openly Curious]

I did not mean to put anyone to shame. I thought it would make an interesting topic for an intelligent conversation. I simply like to see how other people think about things and why? But if you think I am causing judgment upon people then maybe I should stop posting all together. Since that has never been my intent.

 

No, LadyKay, you should NOT stop posting.  Good grief, some people are going to get all sideways and take offense if you post about roasting marshmallows so why let others intimidate you?  Because that's what's going on here and it's a shame.  I think it's an interesting topic and, if the (sniff) holier than thou crowd can take a breath, maybe we can continue the discussion. 

Heck I've been waiting on the discussion to go some where not for anyone to stop posting. What brand of marshmellows do you use I might not like that brand but I will give em a try just in case there is a chance I might like em. I'm use to labels before a person even knows where I'm coming from nothing new there.But I think we'll all live.

[LadyKay]

Ok misunderstanding clear up. All is well and I will post until someone kicks me out.

[MorningGlory]

 

I did not mean to put anyone to shame. I thought it would make an interesting topic for an intelligent conversation. I simply like to see how other people think about things and why? But if you think I am causing judgment upon people then maybe I should stop posting all together. Since that has never been my intent.

 

No, LadyKay, you should NOT stop posting.  Good grief, some people are going to get all sideways and take offense if you post about roasting marshmallows so why let others intimidate you?  Because that's what's going on here and it's a shame.  I think it's an interesting topic and, if the (sniff) holier than thou crowd can take a breath, maybe we can continue the discussion. 

Heck I've been waiting on the discussion to go some where not for anyone to stop posting. What brand of marshmellows do you use I might not like that brand but I will give em a try just in case there is a chance I might like em. I'm use to labels before a person even knows where I'm coming from nothing new there.But I think we'll all liv

 

 

i haven't seen any label attached to you here.  You berated LadyKay unfairly and I pointed that out.  It's what we do here; we have differences of opinions but try to respect the views, and feelings, of others.  

[MorningGlory]

Ok misunderstanding clear up. All is well and I will post until someone kicks me out.