Arrested for disrupting Osteen's sermon

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

,st,,n was exposed as false long ago.

anyone who is deceived by him, or who promotes him,or has faith in him, is false also.  simple.

 

Our faith is to be in Jesus Christ alone!

as it is written.

 

i thought from what i read that you were supporting ,st,,n ... a false teacher.

i repent of that if i was mistaken (that you were supporting it).

there is very little hope for ,st,,n to ever be helped.  hope in jesus alone, yes, but since ,st,,n

has rejected him for so long, .....   it may be too late ....

 

 

I have no idea who ",st,,n" is. I support all believers in Jesus Christ. Are all Christians right about everything? Definitely not. But to label another believer as a charlatan and a false teacher or sillier yet, a false prophet, is basically overreaching. The Body of Christ in this day and age is becoming far too ferocious with its own, not being able to distinguish a true false teacher with one who simply has a different kind of ministry or calling, where there is room in the Body of Christ for such a variety of ministry!

[ayin jade]

Every Christian is supposed to tell the gospel. Not pretend all ways lead to God.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

 

,st,,n was exposed as false long ago.

anyone who is deceived by him, or who promotes him,or has faith in him, is false also.  simple.

 

Our faith is to be in Jesus Christ alone!

as it is written.

 

i thought from what i read that you were supporting ,st,,n ... a false teacher.

i repent of that if i was mistaken (that you were supporting it).

there is very little hope for ,st,,n to ever be helped.  hope in jesus alone, yes, but since ,st,,n

has rejected him for so long, .....   it may be too late ....

 

 

I have no idea who ",st,,n" is. I support all believers in Jesus Christ. Are all Christians right about everything? Definitely not. But to label another believer as a charlatan and a false teacher or sillier yet, a false prophet, is basically overreaching. The Body of Christ in this day and age is becoming far too ferocious with its own, not being able to distinguish a true false teacher with one who simply has a different kind of ministry or calling, where there is room in the Body of Christ for such a variety of ministry!

you and i and everyone here have been deceived by many people* all or most of our lives.

 

*ministers and doctors and politicians and bankers and car salesmen all.. (for examples)...

 

JESUS SAYS TODAY there are many false prophets. (and FEW true ones/teachers)

 

JESUS does not leave it at that.   He shows/warns His children who they are, and says to

 

ALWAYS test all that is said to verify it is by GOD'S WORD....  

and

to have nothing to do with them / nothing to do with the works of darkness, rather EXPOSE THEM.

 

 

I haven't been deceived, as the Lord has provided me (and not only me) with wonderfully anointed teachers my whole life. His Spirit in me attests to what is truth and what is false, and when measured against the word of God, nothing much gets past that wonderful standard. The problem today is that we have a whole lot of fear going on in the Body of Christ, and mixed with poor teaching, and self-teaching, and the lack of Holy Spirit anointing, and this fear and self-exaltation is rising up and speaking all manner of foolishness against people who are actually doing what God has called them to do and He is busy blessing them for it.

[Omegaman 3.0]

I've been following this conversation here and there and, I'm sorry FA, this does not sound reasonable to me. Even intimating that there is another way but Christ is heretical by definition. I understand you have some sort of attachment here, but, we are called to tell the truth in love. Should he have went on TV, shaken his finger, and ruefully went on a rant about how evil everyone is, etc.? No. Should he have been up front about what the gospel itself really and what salvation entails, and why we need it? Yes. A person in India, for instance, could have easily turned on the TV and seen what seemed to be a very popular american theologian telling them to keep right on doing what they're doing, they don't need Jesus at all. No, this is not right. We are not called to evade to the point that the gospel is misrepresented in its totality, which is what happened if this transcript is true.

 

 

Well stated.

[Omegaman 3.0]

I have no idea who ",st,,n" is. 

I was confused and bewildered too. At first I thought it was some weird typo. Then I figured out that some people have a quirky allergy to vowels in a person's name, does that help? Perhaps you can figure it out, when you realize that S,mpl,j,ff does this!

[Omegaman 3.0]

By the way, the topic is:

 

Arrested for disrupting Osteen's sermon

 

The topic is not Joel Osteen, not a person, it is an event, something that took place. More specifically, it is about the concept of free speech as it touches this event.

 

What the thread is not

 

It is not about Joel Osteen himself. It is not about what he preaches, or what he fails to preach. It is not about attacking Joel Osteen. It is not about defending Joel Osteen. It is not about being argumentative on the things that this thread is not about.

 

What the thread lacks

It lacks staying on topic. It lacks much respect for one another. It certainly lacks love for one another. It lacks much evidence that disciples of Jesus are even involved in the thread (John 13:35). So far, in lacks a Forum Servant, who is willing to do his job, and shut the thread down for people continuing to be intentionally  are off topic and a being a bit antagonistic and provocative. This lack of such a Servant could change in any moment.

 

That being said, unless those who call themselves Christians actually want to discuss the topic and behave in a manner befitting Christians, I will fill compelled to close the topic. I see no purpose, no good reason, to have a thread where a few people have taken it over as a vehicle to argue in a way, which adds no new information to the topic they have turned this into, let alone the actual topic. No one is being edified, God is not glorified, and the entertainment value is lacking. It is one thing to be interested and watch a verbal version of mixed martial arts, but this has just become reruns. Out of 134 posts, only a handful have bothered to discuss the topic.

 

So, I suggest discussing the topic, the actual topic. If you cannot do so without going off on the Joel Osteen tangent, or without engaging in rancor, then just stop participating, and stop perpetuating the problem.

 

Alternatively, feel free to inform me of how I would be wrong to close the thread, or provide some rational reason why it should be allowed to continue.

 

[Floatingaxe]

 

I have no idea who ",st,,n" is. 

I was confused and bewildered too. At first I thought it was some weird typo. Then I figured out that some people have a quirky allergy to vowels in a person's name, does that help? Perhaps you can figure it out, when you realize that S,mpl,j,ff does this!

 

 

What, like people who type "G-d"??? LOL!

 

[Floatingaxe]

By the way, the topic is:

 

Arrested for disrupting Osteen's sermon

 

The topic is not Joel Osteen, not a person, it is an event, something that took place. More specifically, it is about the concept of free speech as it touches this event.

 

What the thread is not

 

It is not about Joel Osteen himself. It is not about what he preaches, or what he fails to preach. It is not about attacking Joel Osteen. It is not about defending Joel Osteen. It is not about being argumentative on the things that this thread is not about.

 

What the thread lacks

It lacks staying on topic. It lacks much respect for one another. It certainly lacks love for one another. It lacks much evidence that disciples of Jesus are even involved in the thread (John 13:35). So far, in lacks a Forum Servant, who is willing to do his job, and shut the thread down for people continuing to be intentionally  are off topic and a being a bit antagonistic and provocative. This lack of such a Servant could change in any moment.

 

That being said, unless those who call themselves Christians actually want to discuss the topic and behave in a manner befitting Christians, I will fill compelled to close the topic. I see no purpose, no good reason, to have a thread where a few people have taken it over as a vehicle to argue in a way, which adds no new information to the topic they have turned this into, let alone the actual topic. No one is being edified, God is not glorified, and the entertainment value is lacking. It is one thing to be interested and watch a verbal version of mixed martial arts, but this has just become reruns. Out of 134 posts, only a handful have bothered to discuss the topic.

 

So, I suggest discussing the topic, the actual topic. If you cannot do so without going off on the Joel Osteen tangent, or without engaging in rancor, then just stop participating, and stop perpetuating the problem.

 

Alternatively, feel free to inform me of how I would be wrong to close the thread, or provide some rational reason why it should be allowed to continue.

 

 

Thank you, O-man.

[Floatingaxe]

"free speech" has been an illusion in the untied states since before 1950, maybe even since the start of the country..... 

 

whoever publicly tells the truth is subject to arrest, and worse, by those in and with power.

 

whoever tells the truth or a lie, but offends someone who complains, may be arrested, fined, or beaten, when they have the leeway to do so (most of the time).

 

whoever lies, but is politically or religiously (not in truth) 'correct', especially when they increase or support someone's power/clout/ and/or money

is protected by the system, at the will of the system. (they system may turn on anyone anytime to destroy them, if yahweh permits it).

 

The Wells group is just another very immature and cultish group where members are encouraged to cut themselves off from family.

[Guest shiloh357]

The things is that the people had no right to heckle Osteen in his own church.  We have covered that. No one disputes that.

 

The REASON they heckled him is that he is a false teacher leading people astray.   They were right in what they said, but wrong in how they handled it.  

 

Floatingaxe is faced with the fact that Osteen, when he had a chance to proclaim the Gospel to  the unbelieving world wouldn't and couldn't do it.   Larry King ask Osteen if Jesus was the only way to God and Osteen just didn't know.  He could not proclaim the Gospel when he was handed a GOLDEN opportunity.   He revealed how impotent and useless he is for the Kingdom of God.   His refusal to proclaim Jesus as the Way, Truth an Life only shows that he is not anointed or called of God  to be in the ministry.  

 

Floattingaxe doesn't want to talk about the Larry King interview because it completely undermines her claim that he only preaches the Gospel to sinners but not to his Sunday morning crowd or TV crowd.

 

 Of course, we know that sinners would never walk into his church, right? And all of  the 60,000 people in his church on sunday morning are already Christians and so there is no need to assume that a nonChristian is in the audience needing salvation, right??  Nope not a single sinner is in that crowd and no sinners are watching his TV show either, nope none; not a single one.   That's Floatingaxe's assumptions.

 

Yet, when he has an audience of sinners, one being Larry King ihimself, Osteen doesn't have the courage or anointing to proclaim the Gospel.  If there were any time at all that the anointing should have been evident and would have been the MOST powerful is in front of Jewish man who needed to hear the Gospel and a crowd of sinners watching the show.  Osteen had a captive audience in King and the CNN TV crew.  Those people manning the camera and working in the production room all needed to hear Gospel and Osteen failed  Jesus.   He demonstrated how that writing books and living in a $15 million mansion and having a large church doesn't mean one is anointed as servant of God.

 

The Church would be better served if Joel Osteen was a part time produce clerk at Walmart.    He is a failure as a preacher and is a liability to Kingdom of God.