Arrested for disrupting Osteen's sermon

[missmuffet]

A paraphrase isn't a Bible.  The Message is based on one man rendering the Bible in his own words.   In essence you are not reading the Bible.  You are reading one man's own person opinion of what a verse is actually saying.   If  the one writing the paraphrase doesn't believe that Jesus was/is co-equal with God, that will be reflected in the paraphrase.   If he doesn't believe in the Trinity, that will be reflected in the paraphrase.   Whatever that man believes about salvation, God, heaven, hell, Creation vs. Evolution, moral values, etc.   will be reflected in the paraphrase.  You are not getting God's word  in a paraphrase you are getting one's man's opinion on what he thinks the Bible is saying.

That is scary.I am sure that Satan loves this Bible.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

The Message isn't a Bible AND it is just awful.   It is not even close to what Scripture has to say.   IT is  paraphrase, not a translation.  It is like Living Bible where one guy just puts the Bible in his own words.   It is not reliable and anyone who uses it, is not getting the Scriptures.  They are getting a man's paraphrase and thus his own personal take on what the Bible says.   That is not a Bible.  

 

I am not judging anyone.  He is already under God's judgment for the false teachings and spiritual cotton candy he feeds his congregation every week.    IF anyone is actually getting saved at that "church"  it is in spite of Joel Osteen and not because of him.

 

No one has said that The Message paraphrase is the bible.

 

Let God do what He chooses to do with Osteen's ministry. Rather than bleating about him so much, you could actually pray for him and for his church, as the Lord is blessing it. There are many fine men and women workers for Christ in that work.

 

I will pray for all of those who are being led into the slaughter of Osteen and that their hearts will be opened to the literal true word of God.

 

 

That's ridiculous. Osteen preaches the truth of the gospel. Anyone who denies Jesus Christ as King and Lord of all, and as the way of salvation is a false teacher. Go pick on and presume to pray for someone else.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

The Message isn't a Bible AND it is just awful.   It is not even close to what Scripture has to say.   IT is  paraphrase, not a translation.  It is like Living Bible where one guy just puts the Bible in his own words.   It is not reliable and anyone who uses it, is not getting the Scriptures.  They are getting a man's paraphrase and thus his own personal take on what the Bible says.   That is not a Bible.  

 

I am not judging anyone.  He is already under God's judgment for the false teachings and spiritual cotton candy he feeds his congregation every week.    IF anyone is actually getting saved at that "church"  it is in spite of Joel Osteen and not because of him.

 

No one has said that The Message paraphrase is the bible.

 

Let God do what He chooses to do with Osteen's ministry. Rather than bleating about him so much, you could actually pray for him and for his church, as the Lord is blessing it. There are many fine men and women workers for Christ in that work.

 

 

The let God do what He chooses with shiloh instead of tearing him down like you accuse him of doing to a pastor. You cannot tear down one pastor and then claim that he cant speak against another pastor.

 

 

I will always stand up for people who believe the word, and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But people who sit in judgment of them and tear down their unique ministries is doing the job of Satan. I don't sit still for it, and neither should anyone here.

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

Joel Osteen is one of the erroneous Bible teachers out there.    He leaves people comfortable in their sin and he never preaches the Gospel.

 

That's a lie.

 

 

Osteen said in his interview on Larry King that he won't deal with sin. If it won't deal with sin and other issues addressed by scripture . . . I won't listen to him nor encourage anyone else to either. 

 

 

Pastors and leaders in a church do deal with sin among their people, but to make blanket statements about sin in order for sinners to completely close their ears is not always a good judgment call. I do believe that Jesus would be mild about it if a network interviewer stuck a microphone in his face about one particular sin or a group of people. His desire is to show them His love and mercy. How do you know that Osteen was not commanded by God to answer the way he did? Would I? I don't think so, unless Holy Spirit distinctly spoke to me and told me otherwise. He has reminded me of this:

 

 

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. ¹³ God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

[Floatingaxe]

Most of this thread seems to be about calling Mr. Osteen out as a false prophet, or defending him agains that. You have stated your opinions, and are just going round and round.

 

May I point out that the topic is not about Mr. Osteen, but about the arrest of people who were interrupting a service.

 

Floatingaxe, if you really want ti defend Mr. Osteen, I suggest you you disprove the main allegation. It is said that he never preaches the Gospel. All you need do, it seems, is provide a verifyable quote or point people to a sermon audio of video, where he does in fact, preach the Gospel. I man who has such a large following, and production of work, should have hundreds of Gospel messages out there, if he is really a minister for Christ.

 

Either he has an authentic message, or he doesn't. If he does, then many are wrong about him, If he doesn't, should you be defending him with such vigor?

 

I do not want to see this thread continue in this way, but I thought you might want to take this as an opportunity to debunk the allegations, if they are false, before this thread is shut down -  something that might be a real destiny for it.

 

Yep, but of course, anytime someone initiates a thread with a known leader mentioned, it is really meant to become a gossip-fest.

[Guest shiloh357]

Except this isn't gossip.  Gossip is done in secret and the facts we are stating are of public record.  He has been on air unable to say if Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven.  He says it is not for him to say if Jesus is the only way or if Jews and Muslims who reject Jesus will go to hell for it.   That was also in his comments on Larry King.

 

Jesus would not have been soft on sin if he were interviewed today.   Jesus, in the Gospels was brutal about sin.  He was tough on sin and so are the epistles that Paul wrote.

 

Joel Osteen isn't soft on sin because God commanded him to be soft on sin.   He didn't answer the way he did because God commanded him t answer that way.   Joel has built an empire and he lives in a multimillion dollar home by NOT telling people they are sinners, but going out of his way not offend sinners or to speak about sin for fear of losing his readership and viewership.   If got up and started actually preaching the Gospel, his crowds would diminish.   If spoke out  about repentance and about Christians living together out of wedlock and spoke out against homosexuality, gambling, pornography, his congregation would quickly diminish. 

 

Other preachers speak on those issues, but they don't have millions of dollars coming into their ministries every week and churches that preach the old fashioned Gospel are losing people every month, every year  to these bubble gum, pop culture churches that refuse to confront sin and tell people the truth about what will happen if they don't receive Jesus and if they don't repent of their sin.

[walla299]

 

 

 

Joel Osteen is one of the erroneous Bible teachers out there.    He leaves people comfortable in their sin and he never preaches the Gospel.

 

That's a lie.

 

 

Osteen said in his interview on Larry King that he won't deal with sin. If it won't deal with sin and other issues addressed by scripture . . . I won't listen to him nor encourage anyone else to either. 

 

 

Pastors and leaders in a church do deal with sin among their people, but to make blanket statements about sin in order for sinners to completely close their ears is not always a good judgment call. I do believe that Jesus would be mild about it if a network interviewer stuck a microphone in his face about one particular sin or a group of people. His desire is to show them His love and mercy. How do you know that Osteen was not commanded by God to answer the way he did? Would I? I don't think so, unless Holy Spirit distinctly spoke to me and told me otherwise. He has reminded me of this:

 

 

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

 It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your responsibility to judge those inside the church who are sinning. ¹³ God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”

 

 

Axe, I stand by what I posted. The interview is freely available and you can watch it if you like. I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong, but you're going to have to show me where the guy is preaching the whole gospel of Christ. I'd place the man as a motivational speaker if nothing else, but not a preacher of the gospel. Its not judgement and its not gossip.

 

Remember: "When I'm pointing out sin in someone else's life three fingers are pointing back a me." -- unknown 

[ayin jade]

 

 

 

The Message isn't a Bible AND it is just awful.   It is not even close to what Scripture has to say.   IT is  paraphrase, not a translation.  It is like Living Bible where one guy just puts the Bible in his own words.   It is not reliable and anyone who uses it, is not getting the Scriptures.  They are getting a man's paraphrase and thus his own personal take on what the Bible says.   That is not a Bible.  

 

I am not judging anyone.  He is already under God's judgment for the false teachings and spiritual cotton candy he feeds his congregation every week.    IF anyone is actually getting saved at that "church"  it is in spite of Joel Osteen and not because of him.

 

No one has said that The Message paraphrase is the bible.

 

Let God do what He chooses to do with Osteen's ministry. Rather than bleating about him so much, you could actually pray for him and for his church, as the Lord is blessing it. There are many fine men and women workers for Christ in that work.

 

 

The let God do what He chooses with shiloh instead of tearing him down like you accuse him of doing to a pastor. You cannot tear down one pastor and then claim that he cant speak against another pastor.

 

 

I will always stand up for people who believe the word, and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But people who sit in judgment of them and tear down their unique ministries is doing the job of Satan. I don't sit still for it, and neither should anyone here.

 

 

You are tearing people down axe. You are doing exactly what you are upset about regarding their actions. 

[Floatingaxe]

 

 

 

 

The Message isn't a Bible AND it is just awful.   It is not even close to what Scripture has to say.   IT is  paraphrase, not a translation.  It is like Living Bible where one guy just puts the Bible in his own words.   It is not reliable and anyone who uses it, is not getting the Scriptures.  They are getting a man's paraphrase and thus his own personal take on what the Bible says.   That is not a Bible.  

 

I am not judging anyone.  He is already under God's judgment for the false teachings and spiritual cotton candy he feeds his congregation every week.    IF anyone is actually getting saved at that "church"  it is in spite of Joel Osteen and not because of him.

 

No one has said that The Message paraphrase is the bible.

 

Let God do what He chooses to do with Osteen's ministry. Rather than bleating about him so much, you could actually pray for him and for his church, as the Lord is blessing it. There are many fine men and women workers for Christ in that work.

 

 

The let God do what He chooses with shiloh instead of tearing him down like you accuse him of doing to a pastor. You cannot tear down one pastor and then claim that he cant speak against another pastor.

 

 

I will always stand up for people who believe the word, and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. But people who sit in judgment of them and tear down their unique ministries is doing the job of Satan. I don't sit still for it, and neither should anyone here.

 

 

You are tearing people down axe. You are doing exactly what you are upset about regarding their actions. 

 

 

No, I am defending people of God against those who make it a habit to tear down. It is all too common among the brethren.

[Guest shiloh357]

So far you have not shown one sermon where Joel Osteen actually preaches the Gospel of salvation from sin...