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Eternal salvation is not very Eternal if we can loose it, walk away from it, or even have it taken away.  I am born again, thus saved forever!


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The word loose indicates that you misplaced salvation.  This I cannot accept, but I do strongly believe that one can walk away from his faith in Christ.  Nobody can take us out of the hand of Christ if we have a heart to stay, as scripture tells us.  Yet, I do not see where Jesus would keep someone if the person no longer wants to follow Him.

If a person is not genuinely saved to begin with they will not go to heaven.There are many out there who proclaim they are a Christian when they are not.Jesus is not going to drag someone into heaven kicking and screaming.They will get what they want and eternity in the absence of God.If a person is genuinely saved they will not walk away from God.Every Christian will be judged for what they have done while in these bodies they have possessed on earth.Some will get no rewards and some will get a lot of rewards.


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Eternal salvation is not very Eternal if we can loose it, walk away from it, or even have it taken away.  I am born again, thus saved forever!

I Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, hiving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;"

Hebrews 6:4 "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,"

Hebrews 6:5 "And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,"

Hebrews 6:6 "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame."

Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"


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If one could not lose their salvation,repentance would not be necessary...Or are you all saying repentance is not necessay after becoming saved?

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A person who is genuinely saved will not lose or walk away from salvation.   Salvation results in a transformation of the heart.  You have a heart that has been completely re-made.  You may stumble in a sincere attempt to serve the Lord;  we all do that.   But there is no case of a genuine believer loosing or walking away from salvation anywhere in the New Testament.

A genuine follower of Jesus cannot live in or practice sin, per I Jn. 3:9.  If a person can walk away from God, they were never his to start with.    Jesus saves us and he keeps us safe.   Salvation is deliverance, restoration, preservation, security and healing.  All of those are part of what make up salvation.

Salvation is based on God holding on to us, not us holding on to God.


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A person who is genuinely saved will not lose or walk away from salvation.   Salvation results in a transformation of the heart.  You have a heart that has been completely re-made.  You may stumble in a sincere attempt to serve the Lord;  we all do that.   But there is no case of a genuine believer loosing or walking away from salvation anywhere in the New Testament.

A genuine follower of Jesus cannot live in or practice sin, per I Jn. 3:9.  If a person can walk away from God, they were never his to start with.    Jesus saves us and he keeps us safe.   Salvation is deliverance, restoration, preservation, security and healing.  All of those are part of what make up salvation.

Salvation is based on God holding on to us, not us holding on to God.

Amen Shiloh ...Thank you Jesus for your everlasting saving power and Your faithfulness..

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No, according to Scripture, they can't.

What scripture are you referring?

 

The truth is that none of us is worthy (Romans 3:10) and therefore our salvation is not based on our worthiness. It’s based on the Lord’s faithfulness. He promised to die for our sins so we could live with Him, and then He did what He promised to do. Believing that is all that’s necessary for us (John 3:16, John 6:28-29). When we believe He marks us with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Cor. 1:21-22).

In these two references, Paul explained that it’s a cause and effect relationship. The cause is our belief that Jesus died for our sins, and the effect is His guarantee of our inheritance, which is eternal life. Ephesians 1:13-14 say this relationship takes effect when we hear the gospel and believe it. In other words, when we’re first saved.

2 Cor. 1:21-22 adds that it is God who makes us stand firm in Christ (not us). He anointed us, set His mark of ownership on us and put His Spirit in our hearts. This is His guarantee of what is to come. These are the clearest statements of our security in the Lord anywhere in Scripture. Together they tell us that OSAS is like gravity in that it applies to all of us whether we believe in it or not. This is why Jesus could promise that no one can take us out of His Hands (John 10:27-30).


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No, according to Scripture, they can't.

What scripture are you referring?

 

 

The truth is that none of us is worthy (Romans 3:10) and therefore our salvation is not based on our worthiness. It’s based on the Lord’s faithfulness. He promised to die for our sins so we could live with Him, and then He did what He promised to do. Believing that is all that’s necessary for us (John 3:16, John 6:28-29). When we believe He marks us with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance (Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Cor. 1:21-22).

In these two references, Paul explained that it’s a cause and effect relationship. The cause is our belief that Jesus died for our sins, and the effect is His guarantee of our inheritance, which is eternal life. Ephesians 1:13-14 say this relationship takes effect when we hear the gospel and believe it. In other words, when we’re first saved.

2 Cor. 1:21-22 adds that it is God who makes us stand firm in Christ (not us). He anointed us, set His mark of ownership on us and put His Spirit in our hearts. This is His guarantee of what is to come. These are the clearest statements of our security in the Lord anywhere in Scripture. Together they tell us that OSAS is like gravity in that it applies to all of us whether we believe in it or not. This is why Jesus could promise that no one can take us out of His Hands (John 10:27-30).

Well said :)


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A person who is genuinely saved will not lose or walk away from salvation.   Salvation results in a transformation of the heart.  You have a heart that has been completely re-made.  You may stumble in a sincere attempt to serve the Lord;  we all do that.   But there is no case of a genuine believer loosing or walking away from salvation anywhere in the New Testament.

A genuine follower of Jesus cannot live in or practice sin, per I Jn. 3:9.  If a person can walk away from God, they were never his to start with.    Jesus saves us and he keeps us safe.   Salvation is deliverance, restoration, preservation, security and healing.  All of those are part of what make up salvation.

Salvation is based on God holding on to us, not us holding on to God.

Thank you Shilo, I could not say it better......other than Eternal means Eternal.


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The word loose indicates that you misplaced salvation.  This I cannot accept, but I do strongly believe that one can walk away from his faith in Christ.  Nobody can take us out of the hand of Christ if we have a heart to stay, as scripture tells us.  Yet, I do not see where Jesus would keep someone if the person no longer wants to follow Him.

That is my understanding as well.

We can choose to walk away.    

 

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