Very discouraged by Pope Francis' visit to the U.S.

[Guest shiloh357]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

 

 

did the woman at the well go away saying Jesus did not condemn her sin of living with a man who was not her husband?

Where does it say Jesus condemned her at all in any way?

John 8

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

 

 

He didn't ask if Jesus condemned HER.  He asked if Jesus condemned her sin.   Read.

[thereselittleflower]

 

Do you think anything the Pope would have said to Obama regarding abortion or planned parenthood would have born any fruit. It would have been wasted time and words. He had very limited time and had to choose the topics to speak to that would have a better result of building relationships. 

If you have a hard lesson to learn, you are going to be more receptive to a friend than a foe. 

I agree.

Jesus visited the tax collectors and sinners, sat with them, talked with them, ate with them, and was accused by the Pharisees for doing so.

 

Matthew 9

10Then it happened that as Jesus was reclining at the table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were dining with Jesus and His disciples.11When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick

Matthew 5:46
If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that?

Matthew 11:19
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her deeds."

Mark 2
16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?" 17And hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Luke 5
30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?" 31And Jesus answered and said to them, "It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick

Luke 15
2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them." 

 3So He told them this parable, saying, 4“What man among you, if he has a hundred sheep and has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open pasture and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? 5“When he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 6“And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7“I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

 

The Pope does so as well, and he also is accused.

 

 

yes Jesus sat with tax collectors and sinners. But didn't he always call for repentance?  He didn't just ignore sin     He didn't leave people feeling like they can continue in their sin. He exposed it. Go and sin no more. 

And neither of you know what went on behind the scenes, off camera.

Since when is judging by only what is made public what we are called to do as followers of Christ?

 

 

 

did the woman at the well go away saying Jesus did not condemn her sin of living with a man who was not her husband?

Where does it say Jesus condemned her at all in any way?

John 8

10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, “Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?” 11She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more.”

 

 

He didn't ask if Jesus condemned HER.  He asked if Jesus condemned her sin.   Read.

And that has bearing on what in regards to anything I've said?

From my perspective it is a question thrown in there from left field and has no actually relevancy, but an attempt to change the topic.

 

[hmbld]

Maybe I choose incorrect wording. Point is, Jesus told her to put the sin behind her by sinning no more. Turn and repent. Condemn the sin by putting it to death. 

[thereselittleflower]

Maybe I choose incorrect wording. Point is, Jesus told her to put the sin behind her by sinning no more. Turn and repent. Condemn the sin by putting it to death. 

Yes, and?  

When Jesus said those words to her, everyone had left.  They were no longer in the public eye.

 8Again He stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. 

What does that have to do with my post which was quoted about not knowing what when on behind the scenes, out of the public eye?

Edited October 4, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Hippie333]

I'm posting this so you all can see it. You all are forcing us to lock, hide or remove threads.... I don't think anyone involved is ignorant to what it is they imply, bait or say to one another. So, this is my public attempt ( after one on one private attempts ) to request you all start putting in some effort into edifying one another...not debating every little detail one can imagine.

 

God Bless,

Hip

Edited October 4, 2015 by Hippie333

[aussie_musician]

I saw his visit on the news ..

I find it "odd" for these two "world leaders" to be meeting .. at all ..

it just seems contradictory or hypocritical or something to me .. seeing these two men meet ..