Where was Eden - Was it actually in Israel?

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The issue is irrelevant to some, but it actually influences Biblical hermeneutics in ways in ways you might never imagine. If you are interested in exploring the issue, check out this web site defending Eden

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Where the fourth river is, we aren't quite sure, but it may have dried up, or been greatly altered in the flood, or it could be one of the tributaries of the Tigris or Euphrates. This is probably why God promised to give this land to Abraham and his decendants, who would presumably serve God. And its why it will be instead given to all people who were actually saved through grace. It is the original parcel of land God gave to Adam and Eve!!!!

Well stated, and an interesting association with the New Jerusalem! However, we do now know where the fourth river in the Genesis 2 account was

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Affirming the Biblical reference of Arabia of Pishon, there was a recent discovery of an enormous ancient river bed in Arabia through the use of Shuttle Imaging Radar photos, This 3 to 6 Km wide river had started in the Hijaz Mountains near Medina and flowed 530 miles northeast into the Persian Gulf, just off the coast of present-day Kuwait. This matches our Biblical and historical information perfectly, so we can assume this first river mentioned in this Genesis 2 was obviously in Arabia, and the headwaters for this river would have been all around the Medina area.

Where's the beef? For such a claim, I was hoping to see a picture.

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Where's the beef? For such a claim, I was hoping to see a picture.

Burger is Up! You just need to click on the word Pishon in this article, but for simplicity sake, you can go to this link for a few pictures of Pishon:

http://www.faith-friends.com/Eden/index.ph...howimages&fid=3

For a review of all the Bible arguments on this Eden in Israel issue to date, go here:

http://www.faith-friends.com/Eden/modules....ndex&page_id=19

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whether it is in Iraq, turkey, Israel or Arabia is an interesting conversation. I am more interested in this last question:

The question is, "If Eden was in Israel, how does this effect the way we understand the rest of scripture?"

Can you all expound on this a bit and the significance of where Eden was....

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Actually most biblical scholars believe it was in Iraq

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I think it's fun to investigate the possibilities of where Eden may have been.

However, I do feel leary of the "We have proof that it's here" claims.

For one, that's bad science - you have what you consider to be evidence, but that is a far cry from "proof." Likewise, these findings can be open to interpretation. Therefore, stay clear of the "proof" business!

For another, I am not convinced that the location of the Garden of Eden is important to God's plan of redemption. Jesus is the Tree of Life - and that's where we need to go for our salvation, not some place on Earth.

The Temple of Solomon and the temple in Jesus day both had Cherubims on the veil, which faced eastward. This was a symbol of the spiritual banishment of man from God's presence.

That's an interesting way of looking at things.

Unfortunately, I am not convinced this means the Temple would have been located over where the Garden was.

This is probably why God promised to give this land to Abraham and his decendants, who would presumably serve God. And its why it will be instead given to all people who were actually saved through grace. It is the original parcel of land God gave to Adam and Eve!!!!

Now that's an interesting argument!

Why did God chose that this particular parcel of land to give to His people?

Although not conclusive "proof," that is an interesting answer to the question.

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Actually most biblical scholars believe it was in Iraq

The pros and cons of the southern Iraq location can be viewed here:

http://www.faith-friends.com/Eden/modules....aq=yes&id_cat=6

The main issue with this Iraq location is the best defined river of them all - the Gihon River, which is the Nile. If Eden was in Iraq, how do you feed the headwaters of the Nile without crossing oceanic plates

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Actually most biblical scholars believe it was in Iraq

The pros and cons of the southern Iraq location can be viewed here:

http://www.faith-friends.com/Eden/modules....aq=yes&id_cat=6

The main issue with this Iraq location is the best defined river of them all - the Gihon River, which is the Nile. If Eden was in Iraq, how do you feed the headwaters of the Nile without crossing oceanic plates

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Can you all expound on this a bit and the significance of where Eden was....

The question is really one for you to answer! I already hold my own convictions regarding this issue and they are defined on the web site posted here, but few people have actually worked through the elementary questions of this issue, so I will start to define some of the implications.

Soteriology - If Eden was in Israel, the very ground which saw the first sin & fall, would be the very place of redemption and restoration. Other questions that would be relevant include: what was the tree of life and where is it today? What was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

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