The Top Misinterpretations Causing The Most Confusion in the Timing and Details of Prophetic Events

[Ezra]

 

In reading Revelation 6, when the 6th seal is opened, it is very apparent Christ has returned at the 6th seal at the end of the 7 year period.

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While Mt 24:29 places these events AFTER the "tribulation of those days" (probably not "the Great Tribulation"), Luke places these events BEFORE the Second Coming. But as you go through Revelation, everything is in numerical order and sequence, so I believe the events are chronological and sequential. And the use of the "woes" is in sequence ("One woe is past; and behold there come two woes more hereafter" Rev 9:12).

Revelation 6:12-14

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Matthew 24:29

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Luke 21:25-27

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

[WilliamL]

William

Why is it then that Israel (Daniels people) and Jerusalem (Daniels holy city) have not completed any of the six tasks (Dan 9:24).

In Christ

Montana Marv

Au contraire mon frere, they were all fulfilled:

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city…    [The prophecy is for the remnant of Judah (Daniel’s people) and for Jerusalem, none else.]

to finish the transgression/peshah…     [The word means and refers to the revolt/rebellion/apostasy of the priesthood, the one originally spoken of in Daniel 8:12, 13, 23. This took place when Antiochus Epiphanes, after being bribed, removed the pious Onias III from the high priesthood and installed his apostatizing brother Jason; latter 170s B.C. 1 Macc. 2:15 calls the subsequent debasement of the priesthood and Temple “the apostasy” [apostasian]. Similar corruptions of the priesthood, including bribes, took place during the time of Roman rule. Jesus condemned it, and prophesied the desolation of the religious establishment and destruction of Jerusalem and Temple because of it. Matt. 23, esp. vs. 35-39.]

and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness…    [All accomplished by the Crucifixion and Resurrection.]

and to close up vision and prophecy…    [Matt. 11:13: “For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.” Luke 16:16: “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.”

OT prophecy – that of Daniel’s people – ended at John the Baptist. OT prophets had the Holy Spirit “come upon” them. Beginning at John, prophets were “filled with” it. The former phrase is never used by the NT, and the latter never by the OT.]

and to anoint the Most Holy.    [= Jesus, who became Melchizedek High Priest of the heavenly sanctuary.]

[Montana Marv]

William

Why is it then that Israel (Daniels people) and Jerusalem (Daniels holy city) have not completed any of the six tasks (Dan 9:24).

In Christ

Montana Marv

Au contraire mon frere, they were all fulfilled:

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city…    [The prophecy is for the remnant of Judah (Daniel’s people) and for Jerusalem, none else.]

to finish the transgression/peshah…     [The word means and refers to the revolt/rebellion/apostasy of the priesthood, the one originally spoken of in Daniel 8:12, 13, 23. This took place when Antiochus Epiphanes, after being bribed, removed the pious Onias III from the high priesthood and installed his apostatizing brother Jason; latter 170s B.C. 1 Macc. 2:15 calls the subsequent debasement of the priesthood and Temple “the apostasy” [apostasian]. Similar corruptions of the priesthood, including bribes, took place during the time of Roman rule. Jesus condemned it, and prophesied the desolation of the religious establishment and destruction of Jerusalem and Temple because of it. Matt. 23, esp. vs. 35-39.]

and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness…    [All accomplished by the Crucifixion and Resurrection.]

and to close up vision and prophecy…    [Matt. 11:13: “For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.” Luke 16:16: “The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.”

OT prophecy – that of Daniel’s people – ended at John the Baptist. OT prophets had the Holy Spirit “come upon” them. Beginning at John, prophets were “filled with” it. The former phrase is never used by the NT, and the latter never by the OT.]

and to anoint the Most Holy.    [= Jesus, who became Melchizedek High Priest of the heavenly sanctuary.]

William

This Prophecy is not for Christ to fulfill.

Let's go over all six:  1.  to finish transgressions (Israel still transgresses, a lot of atheists among them, no change over the past 2000 years).  2.  to put an end to sin (Israel still sins, Zech 13:1 - On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity).  3. to atone for wickedness (again many of Israel are atheists). 4.  to bring in everlasting righteousness. (And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.  They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child... Zech 12:10) 5.  to seal up vision and prophecy (on that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision, Zech 13:4, again during the Mill) .  6.  to anoint the most holy. (this happens when Israel anoints Jesus the Messiah as their King - during the Mill)

None of these become fulfilled until the end of days Daniel 12:12 is finished and "On that Day" begins.  All in relation to the Second Coming and the Mill to follow.  When Israel sees the one who they have pierced, in one day their sins will be removed.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

This Prophecy is not for Christ to fulfill.

Let's go over all six:  1.  to finish transgressions (Israel still transgresses, a lot of atheists among them, no change over the past 2000 years).  2.  to put an end to sin (Israel still sins, Zech 13:1 - On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity).  3. to atone for wickedness (again many of Israel are atheists). 4.  to bring in everlasting righteousness. (And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication.  They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child... Zech 12:10) 5.  to seal up vision and prophecy (on that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision, Zech 13:4, again during the Mill) .  6.  to anoint the most holy. (this happens when Israel anoints Jesus the Messiah as their King - during the Mill)

None of these become fulfilled until the end of days Daniel 12:12 is finished and "On that Day" begins.  All in relation to the Second Coming and the Mill to follow.  When Israel sees the one who they have pierced, in one day their sins will be removed.

1. The word is pesha is singular, not plural, and refers to the same pesha of Daniel 8:11-12 --

8:11-12 He [Antiochus Epiphanes IV] even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down. Because of transgression [pesha], an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.

The transgressors (see Dan. 8:23) -- and the word can equally mean apostates/apostatizers -- were the corrupt Jewish priests, who promoted Hellenistic religious and secular customs in Judah. They were led by two High Priests in succession that bought their office by bribing Antiochus. The rightful and pious high priest Onias III was driven out and assassinated, and Antiochus later came and 'took away the daily sacrifices and cast down the place the sanctuary.' All explained in the Books of the Maccabees.

From this point on, the Jewish priesthood continued in a corrupt state, sometimes more, sometimes less. This transgression/apostasy is what is referred to, again, by the angel in Dan. 9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression/apostasy/pesha...
The corrupt Levitical priesthood was later condemned by Jesus in Matt. 23, and came to the end of its authority over the Israelites in 70 A.D.

2. "What can wash away our sins? Nothing but the blood of Jesus." There will be sins committed even during the Millennium, so don't kid yourself that this passage won't be fulfilled before the End Times. Hasn't Jesus' shed blood put an end to your sins?

Likewise for numbers 3 and 4: Jesus' blood has atoned for sins, and he brought in everlasting righteousness, as only he could. Numbers 5 and 6 have likewise been explained.

I wrote in my original post, "There is no scripture about the End Times that prophesies the building of the Temple prior to the Second Coming of the Messiah. There is no scripture about the End Times that says Jerusalem will be destroyed in the End Times. Both of these things would have to occur in order for this passage in Daniel to be End Time: but they are nowhere mentioned in any End Time prophetic passage."

If you can provide any evidence to the contrary, apart from this one contested passage in Daniel 9, please show it to us. If you cannot, your whole argument lacks an independent witness: and God always provides two witnesses.

[Montana Marv]

William

The 70 - sevens prophecy is for Daniels people and Daniels holy city to perform.  No one else.  Read the prophecy word for word Daniel 9:24.  And tell me who besides Israel and Jerusalem are to fulfill the six tasks.  If this prophecy cannot be fulfilled as written, you have a God problem.  Only two are mentioned to do the fulfilling.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

The 70 - sevens prophecy is for Daniels people and Daniels holy city to perform.  No one else.  Read the prophecy word for word Daniel 9:24.  And tell me who besides Israel and Jerusalem are to fulfill the six tasks.  If this prophecy cannot be fulfilled as written, you have a God problem.  Only two are mentioned to do the fulfilling.

 

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city...

"have been determined": Hebrew root chathak; tense, Niphil Perfect (completed action): have been determined/ decreed/ settled/ marked out

You read the prophecy, Marv: there is nothing there that says "Israel and Jerusalem are to fulfill the six tasks." What it says is that the six tasks have been determined/decreed to come upon them.

You have an understanding problem, presumably because you are reading into the passage your predetermined conclusion, not what the passage literally says.
 

[Montana Marv]

The 70 - sevens prophecy is for Daniels people and Daniels holy city to perform.  No one else.  Read the prophecy word for word Daniel 9:24.  And tell me who besides Israel and Jerusalem are to fulfill the six tasks.  If this prophecy cannot be fulfilled as written, you have a God problem.  Only two are mentioned to do the fulfilling.

 

Dan. 9:24 Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city...

"have been determined": Hebrew root chathak; tense, Niphil Perfect (completed action): have been determined/ decreed/ settled/ marked out

You read the prophecy, Marv: there is nothing there that says "Israel and Jerusalem are to fulfill the six tasks." What it says is that the six tasks have been determined/decreed to come upon them.

You have an understanding problem, presumably because you are reading into the passage your predetermined conclusion, not what the passage literally says.
 

William

The thing is that these do not come upon them until after the 1,335th day in Daniel 12:11, 12.  And this is 1,335 days after the A/D will be set up.  Then Daniel will arise to receive his inheritance.  So did Daniel receive his inheritance just after 70 AD.  His inheritance is the Land.  Yet Rome uprooted Israel out of the Land.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[WilliamL]

Quite a string of unsubstantiated speculations...

[RevelationWriter]

Paul only knew to speak of one Resurrection.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Bible prophecy is not given so we can make a calendar — it's given to mold our character.