Confirming the Covenant

[Montana Marv]

So when has Israel benefited from the six tasks. The 70th Week ends when Israel receives these benefits, which it has not.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[MorningGlory]

23 hours ago, Serving said:

There just aren't any 'weeks' left at this stage except 1 'week' .. and the crucifixion MUST take place within the 70 weeks total itself .. thus the so called 'missing week' is NOT missing at all. (I just couldn't work it out until 'NOW') it was the 'week' of Christ's ministry and Pauls ministry which together lasted 7 years to the day (1 'week') to make up the 70th week.

 

And so, that was phase 3.

 

Thus .. 7 + 62 + 1 = 70 weeks .. (490 years).

 

And now we are left with 0 weeks left .. meaning, NO future "missing week' is possible because it was already fulfilled.

This is what I can see.

PS. From Artaxerxes to the Baptism of Christ in Jordan happens to be 483 years !! (give or take a few years as nobody is 100 % & certain to the precise year), meaning that the beginning of Christ's ministry at 30 years of age was in fact His appearing  (62 'weeks' UNTO Christ) and signalling for the final 'week' (+7 years = 490 years) which saw His crucifixion and Pauls 3.5 years of taking and CONFIRMING the covenant to the Gentiles)

Thanks Daze.

 

You should really clarify your statements as OPINION, not gospel.

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

So when has Israel benefited from the six tasks. The 70th Week ends when Israel receives these benefits, which it has not.

In Christ

Montana Marv

If Daniel's 70th week had been fulfilled, we would be living in the period of everlasting righteousness on earth. Since we are surrounded by evildoers and there are daily reports of unspeakable atrocities being committed, that should prove that the fantasizers are simply fantasizing.  But we must leave them to it.

[Serving]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

If Daniel's 70th week had been fulfilled, we would be living in the period of everlasting righteousness on earth. Since we are surrounded by evildoers and there are daily reports of unspeakable atrocities being committed, that should prove that the fantasizers are simply fantasizing.  But we must leave them to it.

 

Have you no understanding what this means (which blows YOUR little fantasy out of the water BTW :

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Maybe it hurts to realize all their esteemed teachers aren't so esteemed after all.

 

[MorningGlory]

10 minutes ago, Serving said:

And WHAT do you suppose this means :

 

Hi Daze,

After all these years of confusion I have suffered with this prophecy I am confident I have finally nailed it.

 

If you got nothing substantial to add, then best keep your mouth shut instead of opening it and removing all doubt.

Sorry. you don't run this forum.  Now, where is that Scripture?  Oh and here is something substantial for you..........

 

[MorningGlory]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

If Daniel's 70th week had been fulfilled, we would be living in the period of everlasting righteousness on earth. Since we are surrounded by evildoers and there are daily reports of unspeakable atrocities being committed, that should prove that the fantasizers are simply fantasizing.  But we must leave them to it.

Lotsa luck trying to teach these would be teachers that try to put forth their convoluted views on the Bible, Ezra.  And, btw, I agree with the above, absolutely, as any logical person would. 

[WilliamL]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

If Daniel's 70th week had been fulfilled, we would be living in the period of everlasting righteousness on earth.

This statement is made without any scriptural support.

Likewise, the statements that Jesus' ministry lasted for 3-1/2 years, and that somehow in another 3-1/2 years the Apostles concluded that ministry, are also without any scriptural or historical support.

28 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Lotsa luck trying to teach these would be teachers that try to put forth their convoluted views on the Bible, Ezra. 

This statement adds no useful information to the conversation, only vitriol.

[Serving]

5 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Thanks Serving for that clear explanation.  It makes perfect sense to me.  I'm not sure how anyone can rationalize the atonement for sin that Christ accomplished on the cross as happening outside of that last week.

I am curious though as to what the time markers are that you base the latter 3-3.5 year span on in Acts.  We know that Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and He instructed His disciples not to go to the Gentiles:

• These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.  Matthew 10:5-6
• But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”  Matthew 15:24

He confirmed the new covenant with Israel for ~3.5 years and when they rejected Him, the Gentiles were grafted in.  Do you think that the early rain of the Holy Spirit, with the confirming signs and wonders that you mentioned, equates to the latter ~3.5 years of confirming the new covenant, this time among the Gentiles?  I'm not suggesting that the "sign" gifts only lasted 3.5 years but that they sufficiently confirmed the new covenant during that time, and the last week was completed.

 

Hi Daze,

At least whenever you disagree one is not subject to insults but instead is prodded and questioned which I am glad to take part in whether we agree or not which is otherwise known as a conversation instead of all the distasteful mudslinging.

So gladly I will respond ..

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.  It makes perfect sense to me

Oh .. I didn't expect that .. Praise the Lord you can see it too.

 

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He confirmed the new covenant with Israel for ~3.5 years and when they rejected Him, the Gentiles were grafted in.  Do you think that the early rain of the Holy Spirit, with the confirming signs and wonders that you mentioned, equates to the latter ~3.5 years of confirming the new covenant, this time among the Gentiles?  I'm not suggesting that the "sign" gifts only lasted 3.5 years but that they sufficiently confirmed the new covenant during that time, and the last week was completed.

Yes .. I believe this is so ..

 

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I am curious though as to what the time markers are that you base the latter 3-3.5 year span on in Acts.  We know that Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel and He instructed His disciples not to go to the Gentiles:

Correct .. the Gentiles had to wait until Christ's crucifixion took place first (Israel's rejection of the covenant) before that door was to be opened to the Gentiles.

Here is the marker I am using:

Acts 20:25-31

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

26 Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.

27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.

28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

 

I still have half a year to account for IF Paul wasn't generalizing re the 3 years .. but I believe it is but a minor detail when thought about and can be explained after I read all of Acts again.

 

What do you think so far bro?

 

 

[MorningGlory]

6 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

This statement is made without any scriptural support.

Likewise, the statements that Jesus' ministry lasted for 3-1/2 years, and that somehow in another 3-1/2 years the Apostles concluded that ministry, are also without any scriptural or historical support.

This statement adds no useful information to the conversation, only vitriol.

Sometimes a little 'vitriol' is needed.  A debate isn't a Girl Scout Jamboree and when discussing the Bible, rank opinion won't cut it.  We've had too many half baked 'teachers' on this site who are in no way qualified to teach theology.  I'm not and I know it.  There are many others who need to realize they are but servants of the most High God. 

[WilliamL]

6 minutes ago, Serving said:

...Here is the marker I am using:

Acts 20:25-31

...31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

I still have half a year to account for IF Paul wasn't generalizing re the 3 years .. but I believe it is but a minor detail when thought about and can be explained after I read all of Acts again.

This three years is speaking only about the time Paul spent teaching in Ephesus, which was only a small fraction of his 2+ -decade ministry to the Gentiles by this time. See Acts 19, esp. :8-10.

The only reason he brought it up was because he was having his last meeting with the Ephesian elders at this time, before going to his fate in Jerusalem.