Confirming the Covenant

[MorningGlory]

"A view of Government House in Jerusalem which is located on Jabal El Muqabber and is the Headquarters of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). The site commands a spectacular view of Jerusalem and the general surroundings. This scene, taken from the garden looking south-west."  http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/126/0126345.html

Well, this and that the UN is already controlling the world through debt.  It only looks like these countries maintain their own governments.  

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section?  What a load of fertilizer!

[WilliamL]

Therefore, for those of you who insist on an End Time fulfillment of Dan. 9:26-27 -- where do you put the destruction of Jerusalem in your [7-year] timeline?

As you well know, prophecies are only very concise and condensed even though they may cover long periods of time. So the way to look at Daniel 9:26 is as follows:

30 AD  -- And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

70 AD-- and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

FUTURE -- and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Apparently you missed the essence of the question, which was:

1. Jerusalem is shown to still exist after the 1260 days of the 2 Witnesses: Rev. 11.

2. Jerusalem is shown to still exist when Christ returns to the Mount of Olives: Zech. 14.

So since you believe that Jerusalem will be destroyed in the End Times, how do the above two passages fit into your 7-year timeline?

Jerusalem is never foretold to be destroyed by any End Time prophecy other than this one very disputed prophecy of Daniel 9. So how can you be so adamant that your interpretation is correct, and teach this like it is a certaintly, since you lack even two basic witnesses??

[Esther4:14]

"A view of Government House in Jerusalem which is located on Jabal El Muqabber and is the Headquarters of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). The site commands a spectacular view of Jerusalem and the general surroundings. This scene, taken from the garden looking south-west."  http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/126/0126345.html

Well, this and that the UN is already controlling the world through debt.  It only looks like these countries maintain their own governments.  

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section?  What a load of fertilizer!

What conspiracy.  This is a photo with a description from the UN multimedia gallery, which is why it says unmultimedia.org and not Alienwatchers.  I am sorry that the truth is so hard for you to accept.  

Edited November 3, 2015 by Esther4:14

[Ezra]

Jerusalem is never foretold to be destroyed by any End Time prophecy other than this one very disputed prophecy of Daniel 9.

So

how can you be so adamant that your interpretation is correct, and teach this like it is a certainty, since you lack even two basic witnesses??

Here are the Scriptures to confirm that Jerusalem will be destroyed during the Great Tribulation:

TRIBULATION: ONE-TENTH OF JERUSALEM DESTROYED (Rev 11:8,13)

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city [JERUSALEM], which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified... And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

GREAT TRIBULATION: ALL OF JERUSALEM DESTROYED (Rev 16:17-21)

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city [JERUSALEM] was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Not only is "the great city" (Jerusalem) divided into three parts, but because of the great unprecedented earthquake as well as the cataclysmic shifting of islands and mountains, all cities are destroyed, including Jerusalem.

[Esther4:14]

 

I think you're showing your true colors, Esther.  So you think Israel is the anti-Christ?  The whole world worships Israel?  Are you living on planet Earth?  Israel is our enemy?  Do you even OWN a Bible?  Your statements above come directly from one who is suffering under delusion and I urge you to repent and turn away from your anit-Semitic school of thought.  That will lead you to only one end.

Yes, my true colors.  I very clearly understand that Jesus came to set the Jews free.  I clearly understand that Jesus died on the cross so that His people would see this and accept Him for forgiveness of sins, just as Paul, James, Peter, etc. did and worked as apostles to establish the New Covenant that He was establishing with Israel.  I also clearly understand that there are decedents of Abraham who this is still intended for and who will accept Christ as Savior.  

I also understand that the the Old Covenant with Israel has been replaced with the New Covenant with Israel, that the gentile nations are welcome to accept as well.  Therefore, as decedents of Abraham, I would strongly encourage them to accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and decedents of Abraham are restored through accepting Christ as their Savior.  The New Covenant is the agreement He was making with a nation that rejected His law that gave them their privilege among the nations.  

Therefore, I understand that building Israel as though it were God's will to allow the Jew to reject Him because they are decedents of Abraham is a lie.  It is just not true, and there is no reason to feel sorry for them for this, or think that this is spoken as a offense when Christ is ready save all those who will come to Him; and, they will be held to a higher standard because they were blessed with the law-and a Messiah.  Now, having said that, I have no real interest in continuing to point out that a Jew cannot reject Christ and inherit life, just like I have no interest in continuing to argue with you in your deception that they are elite because of a genealogical distinction.  This "chosen people," thing is false teaching from people who do not want to accept Christ.  They want the church to believe that they don't have to accept Christ because they are "chosen," so they can resurrect the Israel where they served Kings.  This is where the Antichrist will come in.  

However, I still say, YES, they were chosen and that is why He sent His Son to die on the cross, and there is a difference in this teaching of the covenant He made with Abraham that we are being deceived with.  The covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Christ who is the Messiah of Israel.  I also realize there has been suffering and persecution of the Jewish people; however, they are just as capable of leaving their bondage to the false teachings of Judaism and accepting Christ at any time, which any believer in Christ should be able to tell you is not a bad deal to accept.  I think that it is a fantasy to think that all the Jews will be saved when this has never happened throughout scripture.  A blaring example is the Pharisees.  But, neither will the Gentiles.  A blaring example is the Cesars of Rome.   Even though both are able to do so, we will continue to grow together as wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30), and the greatest offense to Christ is a Jew who will reject Him as Savior because He came to save Israel because of His covenant with Abraham; in other words, he will be the Antichrist spoken of in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2:4).  

There is nothing anti-semitic about recognizing that He wants to save His people through accepting His Son as their Savior, rather than depending on their genealogy for salvation, privilege, and land; and, I do think it is heartbreaking.  I could imagine a book of Lamentations being written over it.  But, this comment that you have made reflects the opinion of the denomination of the republican party and not Gospel.  

Edited November 3, 2015 by Esther4:14

[MorningGlory]

 

I think you're showing your true colors, Esther.  So you think Israel is the anti-Christ?  The whole world worships Israel?  Are you living on planet Earth?  Israel is our enemy?  Do you even OWN a Bible?  Your statements above come directly from one who is suffering under delusion and I urge you to repent and turn away from your anit-Semitic school of thought.  That will lead you to only one end.

Yes, my true colors.  I very clearly understand that Jesus came to set the Jews free.  I clearly understand that Jesus died on the cross so that His people would see this and accept Him for forgiveness of sins, just as Paul, James, Peter, etc. did and worked as apostles to establish the New Covenant that He was establishing with Israel.  I also clearly understand that there are decedents of Abraham who this is still intended for and who will accept Christ as Savior.  

I also understand that the the Old Covenant with Israel has been replaced with the New Covenant with Israel, that the gentile nations are welcome to accept as well.  Therefore, as decedents of Abraham, I would strongly encourage them to accept Jesus Christ as their Messiah, and decedents of Abraham are restored through accepting Christ as their Savior.  The New Covenant is the agreement He was making with a nation that rejected His law that gave them their privilege among the nations.  

Therefore, I understand that building Israel as though it were God's will to allow the Jew to reject Him because they are decedents of Abraham is a lie.  It is just not true, and there is no reason to feel sorry for them for this, or think that this is spoken as a offense when Christ is ready save all those who will come to Him; and, they will be held to a higher standard because they were blessed with the law-and a Messiah.  Now, having said that, I have no real interest in continuing to point out that a Jew cannot reject Christ and inherit life, just like I have no interest in continuing to argue with you in your deception that they are elite because of a genealogical distinction.  This "chosen people," thing is false teaching from people who do not want to accept Christ.  They want the church to believe that they don't have to accept Christ because they are "chosen," so they can resurrect the Israel where they served Kings.  This is where the Antichrist will come in.  

However, I still say, YES, they were chosen and that is why He sent His Son to die on the cross, and there is a difference in this teaching of the covenant He made with Abraham that we are being deceived with.  The covenant with Abraham is fulfilled through Christ who is the Messiah of Israel.  I also realize there has been suffering and persecution of the Jewish people; however, they are just as capable of leaving their bondage to the false teachings of Judaism and accepting Christ at any time, which any believer in Christ should be able to tell you is not a bad deal to accept.  I think that it is a fantasy to think that all the Jews will be saved when this has never happened throughout scripture.  A blaring example is the Pharisees.  But, neither will the Gentiles.  A blaring example is the Cesars of Rome.   Even though both are able to do so, we will continue to grow together as wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30), and the greatest offense to Christ is a Jew who will reject Him as Savior because He came to save Israel because of His covenant with Abraham; in other words, he will be the Antichrist spoken of in scripture (2 Thessalonians 2:4).  

There is nothing anti-semitic about recognizing that He wants to save His people through accepting His Son as their Savior, rather than depending on their genealogy for salvation, privilege, and land; and, I do think it is heartbreaking.  I could imagine a book of Lamentations being written over it.  But, this comment that you have made reflects the opinion of the denomination of the republican party and not Gospel.  

You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. You just posted that Israel was worshipped by the whole world (a lie) and that they were conspiring to bring the A/C to power (another lie) and that the A/C will be a Jew (another lie). and you have absolutely NO Biblical backing for anything.  Btw, I don't get my  religious views from the GOP; what a foolish thing to say. You are deluded, as I said, and I sincerely hope you find your way to the Truth before it's too late. 

[Esther4:14]

 

You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. You just posted that Israel was worshipped by the whole world (a lie) and that they were conspiring to bring the A/C to power (another lie) and that the A/C will be a Jew (another lie). and you have absolutely NO Biblical backing for anything.  Btw, I don't get my  religious views from the GOP; what a foolish thing to say. You are deluded, as I said, and I sincerely hope you find your way to the Truth before it's too late. 

Yes, I did and you just proved my point.  

Just you wait until all of our helping Israel who rejects Christ gets us taken into captivity with Israel and they turn around and make us their slaves through a false covenant with us that there is no intention of keeping.  If there were a prophet here today, they would putting on some sackcloth and ashes over this.  

Wait, that's right.  There are two witnesses coming clothed in sackcloth (Revelation 11:3), and it is looking like they will be killed by the state of Israel.  

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8).  

Or, does someone think that He is planning on sending His two witnesses to the Palestinians.  

The two witnesses will be sent to Israel and they will be rejected by the decedents of Abraham.

All it would take is for the powers that be to set Israel up to be the hero that overcomes the "enemy" Islamic nation, and the world would worship Israel as a God in its own right, seperate and not dependent on Christ.  Because the elite are not phased by Islam.  They have enough money to pay them to be whatever religion they want them to be that will serve their interests the best.  

Edited November 3, 2015 by Esther4:14

[MorningGlory]

"A view of Government House in Jerusalem which is located on Jabal El Muqabber and is the Headquarters of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). The site commands a spectacular view of Jerusalem and the general surroundings. This scene, taken from the garden looking south-west."  http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/126/0126345.html

Well, this and that the UN is already controlling the world through debt.  It only looks like these countries maintain their own governments.  

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section?  What a load of fertilizer!

What conspiracy.  This is a photo with a description from the UN multimedia gallery, which is why it says unmultimedia.org and not Alienwatchers.  I am sorry that the truth is so hard for you to accept.  

I'm referring to the bolded sentence above.  Now throw some truth out there and I will check it out.. 

[MorningGlory]

 

You know absolutely nothing about the Bible. You just posted that Israel was worshipped by the whole world (a lie) and that they were conspiring to bring the A/C to power (another lie) and that the A/C will be a Jew (another lie). and you have absolutely NO Biblical backing for anything.  Btw, I don't get my  religious views from the GOP; what a foolish thing to say. You are deluded, as I said, and I sincerely hope you find your way to the Truth before it's too late. 

Yes, I did and you just proved my point.  

Just you wait until all of our helping Israel who rejects Christ gets us taken into captivity with Israel and they turn around and make us their slaves through a false covenant with us that there is no intention of keeping.  If there were a prophet here today, they would putting on some sackcloth and ashes over this.  

Wait, that's right.  There are two witnesses coming clothed in sackcloth (Revelation 11:3), and it is looking like they will be killed by the state of Israel.  

"And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelation 11:8).  

Or, does someone think that He is planning on sending His two witnesses to the Palestinians.  

The two witnesses will be sent to Israel and they will be rejected by the decedents of Abraham.

All it would take is for the powers that be to set Israel up to be the hero that overcomes the "enemy" Islamic nation, and the world would worship Israel as a God in its own right, seperate and not dependent on Christ.  Because the elite are not phased by Islam.  They have enough money to pay them to be whatever religion they want them to be that will serve their interests the best.  

You aren't the first to come to this site to promote anti-Jew propaganda and completely unbiblical claims and I'm sure you won't be the last. The bolded, above, is off the charts.  But... you know how it goes here, Esther.  Please post chapter and verse to back up your way out there assertions. 

[Esther4:14]

"A view of Government House in Jerusalem which is located on Jabal El Muqabber and is the Headquarters of the United Nations Truce Supervision Organization (UNTSO). The site commands a spectacular view of Jerusalem and the general surroundings. This scene, taken from the garden looking south-west."  http://www.unmultimedia.org/s/photo/detail/126/0126345.html

Well, this and that the UN is already controlling the world through debt.  It only looks like these countries maintain their own governments.  

Did you mistake this thread for the Conspiracy section?  What a load of fertilizer!

What conspiracy.  This is a photo with a description from the UN multimedia gallery, which is why it says unmultimedia.org and not Alienwatchers.  I am sorry that the truth is so hard for you to accept.  

I'm referring to the bolded sentence above.  Now throw some truth out there and I will check it out.. 

oh, I would not have guessed that.  I thought everyone knew that many countries were enslaved through debt.  But, Agenda 21 Earth Summit is a good resource that demonstrates the authority the UN has in addressing the debt of the nations.  

There is also an orginization called the Jubilee Centre who has been advocating for many of these countries to recieve debt forgiveness.  They have many papers on the subject of the nations crippling debt.  So, I guess I should have said the banks who own the other countries, but they own the UN too, and they have given them the sceptre of authority over these matters.  I am surprised you thought this was conspiracy though.