9/11, structural steel.

[simplejeff]

.....  well,  not exactly "plain to the rest of us at this point" .... maybe not plain to any of us actually.

for clarity:  who did it ? 

Is Yahweh overall in charge ?  Yahweh says He Himself will curse ((or punish?)) anyone who takes action against Israel.

In His Word, When Yahweh used another country to punish Israel when Israel disobeyed, 

He then destroyed ((or punished)) the country that He Himself used for His Purpose ((of punishing/ disciplining)) Israel.

He always** destroyed or punished those who came against Israel His Chosen People.  His Word, He Guards, More than He Guards His Own Name, so He Always fulfills His Word... ((In this example, to curse anyone who comes against His Chosen  People))

 

**possible exception, in line with His Word, that IF someone REPENTED, their punishment was reduced or waived.

[SINNERSAVED]

 I am trying to post a link but if it opens up then it was not what I wanted to do,? so here is a link to that morning of what took place and you be the judge what is this all about ?

and where did this witness come from, with so much information? and knew things not known yet ? ground zero ?

 

[The_Patriot21]

Sinner why don't you just answer my question, instead of keeping harping on something you can't prove.

[other one]

On 12/18/2015 at 9:20 AM, The_Patriot2016 said:

Well they're wrong. Science, as I have proven in the past, has proven them to be in error. They may mean well-im sure they think they're right, and like you i think theyre intentions are pure, but science has proven them wrong. So has all the eye witnesses.

you've talked a lot, but I haven't seen or accepted that you have proven anything at all except that you believe what your government told you, and in just about every other conversation we have had on this site you have never trusted our government.

 

I spoke to people just last week that was in the building when something hit the pentagon and I asked them strait up if they saw anything that would make them believe it was a commercial plane......     both told me that I knew they couldn't answer that question rather than lie to me about it.  Both would most likely either go to jail, or disappear if they told me what I could see written all over their expressions....

But keep propping up your government if you like.....   but in the end they will do you in anyway.

[The_Patriot21]

It has nothing to deal with believing the government it has to do with the facts. I'm not going to comment on the reliability of your friends, but their inability to answer doesn't prove squat nor does it change the facts at hand. To date, everything you and sinner have presented for evidence is circumstantial at best, and he keeps dodging questions.

 

There were 4 planes and 3 of them hit structures...2 hit the towers and one hit the Pentagon. Those are facts. That's not believing the government that's believing facts. Anyone who says anything contrary to that is wrong. Pure and simple. Was there a conspiracy? Perhaps. But if there was it involved those planes hitting those structures. And claiming that planes didn't hit when they obviously did does nothing but destroy your credibility.

[The_Patriot21]

On 1/25/2016 at 2:15 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

 

Ok. So you happened to have the same person at both incidents. So what. That's not answering my question. All it shows is you have circumstantial evidence that they may have used an actor or that one of the thousands of people who witnessed the twin towers also was at lax, which isn't impossible. And even if it was an actor it could be as simple as the news network couldn't find anyone who wanted to appear on TV so they got an actor to do it. Dishonest? Sure. Conspiracy? Not necessarily.

 

So yet again you have avoided the question I askeyou, and by presenting more circumstantial evidence. So stop dodging and answer my question.

[other one]

they are facts that you can't prove considering what I have seen and heard from people who are much more respected in the industry than you......    but once again you prove it's hopeless to discuss it with you...

I'm once again out of the discussion.

[SINNERSAVED]

5 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Ok. So you happened to have the same person at both incidents. So what. That's not answering my question. All it shows is you have circumstantial evidence that they may have used an actor or that one of the thousands of people who witnessed the twin towers also was at lax, which isn't impossible. And even if it was an actor it could be as simple as the news network couldn't find anyone who wanted to appear on TV so they got an actor to do it. Dishonest? Sure. Conspiracy? Not necessarily.

 

So yet again you have avoided the question I askeyou, and by presenting more circumstantial evidence. So stop dodging and answer my question.

[WilliamL]

16 hours ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

you havent shown any proof. ... The only thing that is up for debate, is whether they could have taken the buildings down or not. As the above video showed, it is indeed, scientifically possible that they did. Now, the video doesnt prove that they did, but it does show that it is indeed possible. ...

Actually, the video proves exactly nothing. You have begun this whole topic by taking the man's statement for granted, without any evidence whatsoever, that he had heated the steel bar up to the temp he said he did.

[WilliamL]

On 12/17/2015 at 9:11 PM, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Here is the thing. A building with a hot fire burning in it, will function like a chimney. Heat rises and all that sir going upward, has to be replaced by new air coming in. That new air, and a velocity, and when the velocity is higher, more air is coming. That moving air, is brings oxygen, exactly what a flame needs to burn. No new oxygen, and the flame will just go out. However, blowing new oxygen on it, and the flame gets hotter. Ever blow on the end of a glowing stick? What happens? It goes from a dull red to a bright, almost white color from the increased heat. This is why that phrase "fanning the flames" exists. Wind makes forest fires incredibly hot, I imagine in those towers, the air was howling through there.

I believe you have your logic backwards. In an aircraft, the kerosene only reaches 1500 degrees because it is forced through the engine at high velocity and pressure. In an oil lamp or heater, the temp is probably closer to 1000 degrees cooler, or else heaters would bend and glass chimneys would shatter.

In the Twin Towers, although the air rushing in would elevate the temp above that of a kerosene heater, it would in no ways be anywhere near the optimum conditions found in a jet engine. Therefore, the temperature reached would have been much lower than 1500 degrees, far from the 1800 degrees of the steel in the video (if we accept the man's word as accurate). So the testimony of the video is useless for the actual case at hand.