Jeremiah 25

[Your closest friendnt]

On 4 January, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Sister said:

Past or future?

 

Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.
 

All the families AND Nabuchudenezzar

(this is one unit together, the Nabuchudenezzar as the leader and his allies, the families of the north, not the families of the south, like Egypt, Ethiopia, and e.t . ) 

"Nabuchudenezzar my servant". 

The Lord is saying that he has recruit Nabuchudenezzar, for a mission,  he has propose to do something and he has given the go ahead to Nabuchudenezzar, that he is not going to oppose Nabuchudenezzar in his plans, and that he the Lord is his allie. 

That he has given Nabuchudenezzar his plan, what to do and how to do it, and that he will prosper Nabuchudenezzar in this mission.

The Lord is saying that he is with Nabuchudenezzar in this matter and not Israel.

Go and ask a Rabi.  

 

[Serving]

3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

All the families AND Nabuchudenezzar

(this is one unit together, the Nabuchudenezzar as the leader and his allies, the families of the north, not the families of the south, like Egypt, Ethiopia, and e.t . )

"Nabuchudenezzar my servant".

The Lord is saying that he has recruit Nabuchudenezzar, for a mission,  he has propose to do something and he has given the go ahead to Nabuchudenezzar, that he is not going to oppose Nabuchudenezzar in his plans, and that he the Lord is his allie.

That he has given Nabuchudenezzar his plan, what to do and how to do it, and that he will prosper Nabuchudenezzar in this mission.

The Lord is saying that he is with Nabuchudenezzar in this matter and not Israel.

Go and ask a Rabi.

 

Yes I recognized that instantly too .. also note :

Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

 

So yes, the Lord was bringing Neb and his northern (north of Israel that is) vassal nations with him to attack .. I had to go over it a few times to make sure I understood where Sister was coming from, and THEN comparing the rest of her personal narrative I realized it was just the way she worded it and not what she meant .. sometimes we don't always clarify the specifics so as to keep it as short as possible since most don't like long posts / explanations .. after reading what else she said that is ..

So naughty Sister .. please be a little more specific when identifying the 'players' instead of over generalizing .. which causes 'gaps'.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

5 hours ago, Serving said:

Yes I recognized that instantly too .. also note :

Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land, and against the inhabitants thereof, and against all these nations round about, and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

 

So yes, the Lord was bringing Neb and his northern (north of Israel that is) vassal nations with him to attack .. I had to go over it a few times to make sure I understood where Sister was coming from, and THEN comparing the rest of her personal narrative I realized it was just the way she worded it and not what she meant .. sometimes we don't always clarify the specifics so as to keep it as short as possible since most don't like long posts / explanations .. after reading what else she said that is ..

So naughty Sister .. please be a little more specific when identifying the 'players' instead of over generalizing .. which causes 'gaps'.

 

We can avoid leading our  selfs in deferent directions by doing what you have suggested, I like the way you put it "Identifying the players", the parties that are involved, this is also part of studying the context.

Like the story of Adam and Eva, they have introduce the apple, and all the time I had come to believed that they literaly had something to eat from a tree. and that it was literaly the tree of life in the Garden, with ready fruit to eat, something like that. 

Then when I began to study the specifics, and identifying the players, I notice something that had to do with Jesus Christ.  He said to Nicodemus, when you believe in me after you see me on the Cross, just they way Moses lifted up the serpent in the dessert, and the people were invited to look to him for their healing, that's it, the serpent on the tree, was rediating Life , life came from the serpent to those who had be bitten, while yet alive, they had death in them. 

Nicodemus new that he was alive not only the way everyone in the world is alive, but alive also to the Lord God, as he was not only a Jew, but he was  obedient to the Mosaic Law.

 Nicodemus also new, because of the Human inheritance that hey were seperated from God and that the Law of Moses could no do away with the seperation and remove the death in them.  

Then one day later on, he heard Peter inviting the people to look to the one who had been lifted up on the tree, to have LIFE in them, that the life comes from him,then Nicodemus must have remember the words of Jesus that the life will come to people from him, but first he must be lifted up on the tree,

The fruit of the tree of life, that 's what Peter was doing inviting people to eat from the tree of life. 

The only way for man to eat from the tree of life, it was for the tree of life to enter our world. God made the way that the tree of life to come to us.

[Serving]

22 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi Serving

I stopped because I think I must be on everyone's ignore list!

If I did a post about donuts, I'm sure it would attract more interest.

No-one has the faintest clue what I'm on about, so be my guest.

 

LOL, nah, I'd definitely have no interest if it was about donuts ..

Well I'll just get straight to the point & will just answer the question straight up ..

1948 - 2018. (thereabouts)

Israel's time to worship the king of Babylon (the Great) is up around 2018.

Doesn't necessarily mean she'll be attacked in 2018 in my opinion, but for every year after 2018, expect that attack to come at any time.

   

 

[Last Daze]

23 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi Serving

I stopped because I think I must be on everyone's ignore list! 

If I did a post about donuts, I'm sure it would attract more interest. 

No-one has the faintest clue what I'm on about, so be my guest.

 

Did someone say, "donuts?"

[Sister]

Ok let me try again;

Jeremiah 25:1   The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

 Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, (What family's?) saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land (what land?), and against the inhabitants thereof (who's inhabitants?), and against all these nations round about (what nations?), and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

So can someone please tell me who all the family's of the north are who came with the king of Babylon against this land to destroy, and also to destroy all the nations about, (which nations?) and when were these nations utterly destroyed and made perpetual desolations if they still exist & operate today?  This is all I am basically asking.

 

Now something interesting I noticed in Daniel.

 Daniel 1:1   In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.

Daniel 1:2   And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

 

In Jeremiah 25, Jerusalem has already been beseiged..  So why prophesy it should it come when it already happened a year before?

And how does this have a dual meaning?  Is there something that I am missing?

 

[Ezra]

On 04/01/2016 at 7:06 AM, Spock said:

Well, it's clearly talking about the Babylonia captivity of 70 years and King Neb is even cited.  Do you see a near/far projection here?  If so, what do you see as the far projection?  Thanks.

This passage is both historical and prophetic. Judah did go into captivity, and at the end of 70 years came out of captivity.  Babylon was replaced by Medo-Persia, but since Babylon and Mystery Babylon are found on earth just before the Second Coming of Christ, there is a future judgement of Babylon (hence "perpetual desolations").

[WilliamL]

8 hours ago, Sister said:

Ok let me try again;

Jeremiah 25:1   The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

 Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, (What family's?) saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land (what land?), and against the inhabitants thereof (who's inhabitants?), and against all these nations round about (what nations?), and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

So can someone please tell me who all the family's of the north are who came with the king of Babylon against this land to destroy, and also to destroy all the nations about, (which nations?) and when were these nations utterly destroyed and made perpetual desolations if they still exist & operate today?  This is all I am basically asking.

The families allied (as vassals) with Nebuchadnezzar would have included Assyria, as well as Hamath and similar smaller states previously conquered by Babylon. Much of Philistia was desolated by Nebuchadnezzar in this era, as well as Edom, Moab, and Ammon, along with Judah. Some cities were utterly destroyed, never to be rebuilt. And these peoples never established independent kingdoms thereafter, to my knowledge. However, some of this language seems to be hyperbole, not unknown in the OT prophets.

Now something interesting I noticed in Daniel.

 Daniel 1:1   In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.

Daniel 1:2   And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

 

In Jeremiah 25, Jerusalem has already been beseiged..  So why prophesy it should it come when it already happened a year before?

Daniel was using a slightly different calendar, probably one that began in Tishri of the previous autumn, while Jeremiah used one beginning in Nisan. This conquest of Judah was in 606 B.C., and preceded the final one that took place in 588 B.C., when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem. In the 606 B.C. conquest, Jehoiakim quickly capitulated and was allowed to keep his throne. Nebuchadnezzar took booty from the Temple, put the kingdom under a tax, and left.

And how does this have a dual meaning?  Is there something that I am missing?

No dual meaning.

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

22 hours ago, Sister said:

Ok let me try again;

Jeremiah 25:1   The word that came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim the son of Josiah king of Judah, that was the first year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon;

 Jeremiah 25:9   Behold, I will send and take all the families of the north, (What family's?) saith the LORD, and Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant, and will bring them against this land (what land?), and against the inhabitants thereof (who's inhabitants?), and against all these nations round about (what nations?), and will utterly destroy them, and make them an astonishment, and an hissing, and perpetual desolations.

Here are some factuals from the same book of Jeremiah.

The Nations round, about;

Jeremiah 27: from the bigining.

  The Lord said to Jeremiah, to make yokes and bonds and put them upon thy neck, and sent them to the Kings of 

Edom, Moab, Ammon, Tyrous, Zidon, 

And tell the that I have given all your lands to the King of Babylon Nabuchudenezzar, and All your Nations shall served him and his Sons. And the Nation that will not served him, it will be destroyed by me, said the Lord.  

And for The Kingdom of Juda and their Kings, because the have served other Gods, I sent Nabuchudenezzar king of Babylon to destroy them, and take them captives, the walls shall fall and the temple will destroyed, by the Nations who are allied with the King of Babylon, the Chaldeans, the Medes, the Assyrians, the numerous smaller other Nations of the regions round about. 

Jeremia was in Jerusalem talking to all the people, And the priest, with their prophets and the Elders try to Kill him, for telling them that the Lord has sent the King of Babylon together with his Alies the other Nations from the regions round about to destroyed them and take them captives to Babylon.  

22 hours ago, Sister said:

 

So can someone please tell me who all the family's of the north are who came with the king of Babylon against this land to destroy, and also to destroy all the nations about, (which nations?) and when were these nations utterly destroyed and made perpetual desolations if they still exist & operate today?  This is all I am basically asking.

 

Now something interesting I noticed in Daniel.

 Daniel 1:1   In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah came Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon unto Jerusalem, and besieged it.

Daniel 1:2   And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God: which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his god.

 

In Jeremiah 25, Jerusalem has already been beseiged..  So why prophesy it should it come when it already happened a year before?

And how does this have a dual meaning?  Is there something that I am missing?

 

In the books of II Kings chapter 24: and 25: are recorder all the factual events as they happen.

First Jerusalem and the round about regions were under the Nation of the South "Egypt", and later the Nations of the North, with the king of Babylon Nabuchudenezzar and the Chaldeans and all the other Nations round about as their alies destroyed  Jerusalem and the wall, and the Temple, and destroyed, Juda and the Nations round about.

[Sister]

 

Jeremiah 25:11   And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years.

Jeremiah 25:15   For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.

  Jeremiah 25:16   And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.

  Jeremiah 25:17   Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:

  Jeremiah 25:18   To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;

 

Now the nations who will serve the King of Babylon for 70 years are all listed here; 

  Jeremiah 25:19   Pharaoh king of Egypt, and his servants, and his princes, and all his people;

  Jeremiah 25:20   And all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of Uz, and all the kings of the land of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and Azzah, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod,

  Jeremiah 25:21   Edom, and Moab, and the children of Ammon,

  Jeremiah 25:22   And all the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which are beyond the sea,

  Jeremiah 25:23   Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all that are in the utmost corners,

  Jeremiah 25:24   And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,

  Jeremiah 25:25   And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,

  Jeremiah 25:26   And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which are upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

  Jeremiah 25:27   Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.

  Jeremiah 25:28   And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.

 

Jeremiah 25:32   Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.

  Jeremiah 25:33   And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground.

So after the 70 years is fulfilled, all these nations will be punished.  Every single nation of the earth did not serve the old King of Babylon, but do today. So instead of trying to use man's wisdom explaining it with history, it just doesn't fit this prophecy.  I am looking at this through God's eyes, he is giving the specifics here and he says "all the kingdoms of the world" which are "upon the face of the earth". So when the 70 years are up, all these nations will be punished.  I am trying to show that it is easy to put prophecy into the past, and miss what God is saying about the future, because the eyes only catch certain parts, and miss the rest of what the chapter is speaking of.  It's easy to do, I've done it myself.

 

 Revelation 14:8   And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

  Revelation 14:10   The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

  Revelation 16:6   For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.