How can we say Tribulation has not started ?

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Last Daze said:

Why do you keep insisting that post-tribbers want to go through the great tribulation?  You really don't get it, do you?  It's not a matter of what we want.

If you don't want to go through the Great Tribulation, why do you connect it to the Church? Could we surmise that some Christians have a martyr complex?

[Guest Thallasa]

17 minutes ago, Ezra said:

ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4:17)

Caught up together = ἁρπαγησόμεθα = harpagesometha = Latin Rapiemur = Englsh Rapture.

People should study first, then speak.

Yes of course Paul ,  

 

21 minutes ago, Ezra said:

ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess 4:17)

Caught up together = ἁρπαγησόμεθα = harpagesometha = Latin Rapiemur = Englsh Rapture.

People should study first, then speak.

I should have said a pre tribulation rapture .The tribulation comes first .

[Ezra]

19 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

I should have said a pre tribulation rapture .The tribulation comes first .

Not according to John 14:1-3. "Let not your heart be troubled" automatically cancels any Tribulation before the Rapture.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

[Guest Thallasa]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

But it is; you keep saying that the Rapture is at Post Trib.  If it is, then you will (as Post-Tribbers) go though this Great Tribulation which you have prepared for.  And you say; Pre-Tribber will fault/lose their faith because we have not prepared for it.  Now are you backing down from your position.  For you know what comes and how bad it will be.  You have given me tons of Scripture verifying your position and how you are delivered from (through) this time of Great Distress.  If it is not a matter of what you want, What is it?  God's Will, is God's Will.

Take me now Jesus and drop kick me over the goalposts of Life.  Old, Old saying.

 In Christ

Montana Marv

We are being prepared now , tested now over a period of time . We cannot escape hard times ,but as we are tested in the 

 fire which God allows because we must overcome with the truth everyday until the end ;the end will not be difficult ,just as if you have done your homework regularly the exam is easy

For when 'that day 'comes ' ,read Luke 17 :34 , Matt 24 : 40 , 34 - 35 .

[Guest Thallasa]

7 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Not according to John 14:1-3. "Let not your heart be troubled" automatically cancels any Tribulation before the Rapture.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

 

For me it has already started . God knows what we are thinking and how our hearts stand up to the onslaught  . It is very painful ,but He needs to test us :that's why He allows it ,to seperate the sheep from the goats ,who cannot or will not  know God's love and purity .

 

[Montana Marv]

5 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

We are being prepared now , tested now over a period of time . We cannot escape hard times ,but as we are tested in the 

 fire which God allows because we must overcome with the truth everyday until the end ;the end will not be difficult ,just as if you have done your homework regularly the exam is easy

For when 'that day 'comes ' ,read Luke 17 :34 , Matt 24 : 40 , 34 - 35 .

Yes, we are now being tested by God.  This has been going on since the Early Church, even before the stoning of Stephen.  But this next set of tests and Tribulations is for all the Unjust who live on this earth.  Rev 3:10 - Since you; have kept my command to endure patiently (we are already in this process), I will also keep you from the hour of trail that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

Now the next test will be for those living on the earth (not some, but all).  Also it will affect the whole world.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Last Daze]

46 minutes ago, Ezra said:

If you don't want to go through the Great Tribulation, why do you connect it to the Church?

How can you even seriously ask a question like that as if somehow we have the ability to determine out lot in the end times based on how we want things to happen?  Bizarre.

I think it would be wise to seek God's truth in the matter first and let that shape your understanding instead of vice versa.

What an eye-opening day concerning the perceptions some people have.

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

Not according to John 14:1-3. "Let not your heart be troubled" automatically cancels any Tribulation before the Rapture.

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Well, I see that slightly differently, big surprise!. Jesus will come again, and gather me to Him, just after the tribulation. I believe in God, I believe also in Jesus. Therefore, since I am not to fear those, who can kill the body, and afterward, can do not more, I do not let my heart be troubled, because I look forward to a time, when all earthly troubles will have been done away with, I look forward to the blessed hope, my Lord and savior, who has my salvation planned and under is control. With that in mind, why should my heart be troubled.

[Omegaman 3.0]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

Rev 3:10 - Since you; have kept my command to endure patiently (we are already in this process), I will also keep you from the hour of trail that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

Quick question Marv . . . 

7 “To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: . . .
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

Is there some scripture (not just an optimistic wish) that directs you to believe, that you are part of the church in Philadelphia?, and that the messages to the other churches should not be applied to you?

[SINNERSAVED]

11 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Well, I see that slightly differently, big surprise!. Jesus will come again, and gather me to Him, just after the tribulation. I believe in God, I believe also in Jesus. Therefore, since I am not to fear those, who can kill the body, and afterward, can do not more, I do not let my heart be troubled, because I look forward to a time, when all earthly troubles will have been done away with, I look forward to the blessed hope, my Lord and savior, who has my salvation planned and under is control. With that in mind, why should my heart be troubled.

Omegaman 3.0 I agree with you and believe the same way , thank you for showing the devotion of a true believer and to share this with others, for many are not willing to see that we may give up our lives but in the end  our savior will redeem us, so blessings brother, and keep up the great faith .