"Angel of the Lord"

[OldSchool2]

For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief.

"... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance."

In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus.

[FresnoJoe]

Amen~!

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8

[JohnD]

On 1/18/2016 at 7:02 AM, OldSchool2 said:

For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief.

"... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance."

In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus.

When you understand that the name YHVH is the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit then it makes sense that YHVH the Father sends / sent (malak / aggelos) YHVH the Son to do his bidding making him (the Son) both YHVH and the messenger (angel) of YHVH.

The Holy Spirit is also sent into the world by both Father and Son (John 14:26 and John 15:26) making him also the Angel of the LORD.

[Reinitin]

On 1/18/2016 at 7:02 AM, OldSchool2 said:

For those who were involved in the "Angel of the Lord"' controversy Sunday night (Jan. 17), check out today's Worthy brief.

"... Biblical Hebrew uses a grammatical form called 's'michut'. This form joins two words together to form a single word form. We have this in English: for example, a door and a knob are two nouns, which are used to form the word 'doorknob', a compound noun. This form of joining nouns is found in Judges 6:12. The expression, 'Angel of the Lord' is rendered, 'angel-YHVH'; (Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay); in modern English -- 'angel-Yehovah'. Then, suddenly, the narrative changes from 'angel-Yehovah' to simply, 'Yehovah'. Here we see another appearance of YHVH in human form in the Old Testament. The God-Man, Yeshua in a 'pre-incarnate' appearance."

In this sense, "Angel of the Lord" is an Old Testament theophany that prefigures the New Testament Incarnation of Jesus.

LOL It's good information but it's also the JW door to Christ being Michael a first creation. Please shut that door for people with less knowledge of hebrew like me.

[OldSchool2]

2 hours ago, Reinitin said:

LOL It's good information but it's also the JW door to Christ being Michael a first creation. Please shut that door for people with less knowledge of hebrew like me.

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987!

[JohnD]

1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987!

That's right. The Jacksons were JWs. I forgot about that.

[Reinitin]

1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987!

lol oh no..

[thereselittleflower]

1 hour ago, OldSchool2 said:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over the JWs -- long ago some of them actually believed Michael Jackson was an archangel before the latter fell into disrepute and was disfellowshipped by the cult around 1987!

Is this for real?

[other one]

44 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Is this for real?

unfortunately yes it is.

[OldSchool2]

38 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Is this for real?

It was in 1984.

from The NY Times:

"... Gary Botting, another former Witness, said the leadership was reluctant to alienate Mr. Jackson. Mr. Botting and his wife, Heather, wrote 'The Orwellian World of the Jehovah's Witnesses,' which compares the Witness faith with the mind-regulating vision in Orwell's 'Nineteen Eighty-Four.'

"He said the leadership was reluctant because Mr. Jackson helped bring contributions and credibility to the faith by what many consider his exemplary habits, including abstinence from sex, liquor and drugs.

"In some ways, however, the Jackson appeal has gone too far, according to Mr. Botting, who said Mr. Bo an 'MJ cult' has developed within the Witnesses ...

"The cult believes that Michael Jackson is the Archangel Michael, who, as described in the Book of Daniel, 12:1, will deliver the people: ''And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people.....''"

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/08/29/nyregion/dissent-grows-among-jehovah-s-witnesses.html?pagewanted=all

Basically, there was a cult within a cult (WTS) that believed MJ was an archangel.