refugees to wear wristbands in cardiff

[simplejeff]

8 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

I am not American and I do not think violence is the answer ,  but when you have 'Chamberlains' who do not see, because they don't want to,  then we have serious problems .

These always pretend to be 'good ' as it makes them feel better, but they are charlatans , ignorant posers who hate God and have plenty of followers ,who like the feel good factor of being kind ,  while their enemy is portrayed as selfish .  It is the 'in thing '  ;  emotional blackmail to get the young engaged , a  divide  and rule tactic  .

The Bible 

18 minutes ago, FresnoJoe said:

It Involves the highest responsibility, will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

From The Front Of My Gideon New Testament

......AND STILL ALWAYS REMEMBER HIS WORD: GOD HEALS ((SAVES)) ALL WHO COME TO HIM HE WILL HEAL :

no matter what country or religion they were born in, IF they turn to HIM and SEEK HIM in JESUS.

....About 6,310,000 results

 

• People raised from the dead in the Bible (Resurrected)stronginfaith.org/article.php?page=114‎
  Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. ... it was too late for him to raise twice as many people from the dead as Elijah. ... Peter raises a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead .
  
  Supernatural Acts of the Disciples Through Faith in Jesusstronginfaith.org/article.php?page=66‎
  "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. ... through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people.
  
  How many people in the Bible were brought back to life?www.biblestudy.org/.../who-has-been-resurrected-from-the-dead.html‎
  How many people did PETER and PAUL bring back from the dead? ... ANSWER: The Bible lists TEN separate occasions when God brought people back to life. ... But while the disciples were standing around him, he arose; and he went into ...
  
  How many people were raised from the dead in the Bible?www.gotquestions.org/raised-from-the-dead.html‎
  Elijah the prophet raised the widow of Zarephath's son from the dead. ... Jesus and His disciples then left the resurrected girl with her astonished parents. ... resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared to many people” (verses 52 –53).
  
  Fascinating Facts About The Twelve Disciples | Exploring Lifes ...www.exploringlifesmysteries.com/twelve-disciples/‎
  Sep 24, 2015 ... The twelve disciples are ordinary men who followed the teachings of Jesus. ... was witness to many miracles of Christ that the other nine disciples were ... in The Bible it is believed that he died the death of a Christian martyr..
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• Why were the 12 apostles willing to die ? The 12 Disciples - Jesus ...www.everystudent.com/wires/apostles.html‎
• Why the 12 apostles, Jesus' disciples, became the first Christian martyrs. ... often traveling alone to distant countries, declaring that Jesus died and came back to life. For proclaiming Jesus' resurrection, they were beaten, imprisoned, and many ... his resurrection, and understand why it mattered so much to these twelve men.

1. .The Disciples Kept the Sabbath 85 Times in Acts - EliYahwww.eliyah.com/84times.html‎
   There are many scriptures that verify the Sabbath day being the 7th day of the ... the dead, and [saying], "This Yahushua whom I preach to you is the Messiah. ... " Men [and] brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say on.".
   
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   Luke 9:51 to 19:44 - Free Bible Commentary in easy Englishwww.easyenglish.info/bible-commentary/luke9-19-im-lbw.htm‎
   'Leave dead people to bury their own dead people. .... 'God has *blessed you to see the things that you see. v24 Many *prophets and kings desired to see what you ... Jesus told these *disciples that they were like young sheep among * wolves.
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[FresnoJoe]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

Jesus demands that we are charitable on a personal basis....
not on a politically motivated one like this one is.... 
Are you charitable and giving of yourself....
to your neighbor....
the one who pays for your charity....
and the one who has lived beside you for years....
but that you have ignored when they needed help....

The LORD

"And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;

Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Acts 26:15-18

Who We War For

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12

The Father,

"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Isaiah 44:6

The

"For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called." Isaiah 54:5

SON

"Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession." Psalms 2:5-8

And The Holy

"And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16-17

Ghost

"Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." Romans 8:28

Beloved, I Pray This Is Of Some Help
To Any Who Would Truely Love The Islamic

"Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." 2 Corinthians 5:20-21

Love, Your Brother Joe

[SavedOnebyGrace]

Back in the '60s, the parochial school I was in taught us to prepare for a nuclear attack by hiding under our desk, like that was going to do a lot of good.

[Guest Thallasa]

5 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Back in the '60s, the parochial school I was in taught us to prepare for a nuclear attack by hiding under our desk, lot that was going to do a lot of good.

In part I am reacting to the poster .  If there was a natural disaster of any kind, we would be obliged to take in any refugees , but this  is a man made disaster and the people who made it need to be held accountable ,not citizens who are  struggling to survive, and who are very  negatively affected by a certain type of refugee .   It of course would be great if we could all live together in peace long term ,but this is impossible at the moment ,  as we have to change they not at all .

[SavedOnebyGrace]

2 minutes ago, Thallasa said:

In part I am reacting to the poster .  If there was a natural disaster of any kind, we would be obliged to take in any refugees , but this  is a man made disaster and the people who made it need to be held accountable ,not citizens who are  struggling to survive, and who are very  negatively affected by a certain type of refugee .   It of course would be great if we could all live together in peace long term ,but this is impossible at the moment ,  as we have to change they not at all .

I hope and pray you don't have any problems.  Europe, like the United States, is ill prepared for the types of attack that happened in Tokyo some years back.  Israel is probably more prepared than anyone else.  Seriously, you are in my prayers.

[junobet]

3 hours ago, Thallasa said:

Sorry mate is very rude for a start .  I see then you have missed all the long posts  on this subject over the last months and that in your all of a couple of weeks, you have judged all the people here as ignorant , predjudiced ,selfish ,unchristian . For a start most people are not any of those things ,but wary yes, wary of people like you who think that you are being good and kind . I am not at all predjudiced like you , as this word means having an opinion without knowing the facts ,  weighing them up carefully and then making décisions based on all the evidence .

You have come on here and after a few days you are telling people who  live in complicated situations what they must do .I am not afraid of foreigners ,but of  people who despise their own and do not listen to them , overiding their opinons  and when they are attacked , blame them  .

As for your husbands family ,have they ever helped refugees in the U.K. ,do they personally know any foriegners ,I mean invite them home etc. ? Because I have, and did so for many years  and I speak from experience , not from hot air .

It is clear thet we must take in some refugees ,but we must, in the light of some of the terrible acts which have been  commited  be aware and careful  , before the event, not afterwards   . Will you take the responsibilty for any rapes or violent acts against children, which should come from careless vetting .  False and pretentious love  is so easy , as it is without danger  of commitment . If you do not do the charity yourself ,  then you are demanding that others do it for you ; this is not Christian , this is hypocrisy  .

Jesus demands that we are charitable on a personal basis , not on a politically motivated one like this one is .  Are you charitable and giving of yourself , to your neighbour,the one who pays for your charity and the one who has lived beside you for years but that you have ignored when they needed help ?

 

 

Dear Thalassa,

“sorry mate” is an expression I hear from my husband on almost a daily basis. If you or the person I addressed as such perceive this expression as an insult, I’m really sorry. It was not meant that way.

It is true that I find some of the views uttered here outright vile and verging on the blasphemous. And I’ve noticed that a lot of people here find my views vile and verging on the blasphemous.

But ever since I got here I’ve been trying to argue about opinions/beliefs without devaluating and attacking the persons who hold opinions/beliefs I happen to disagree with. It see that many people feel personally attacked by me anyway and I’m sorry for that, too.

I would appreciate it if you too could at least try to attack my opinion and not my person. Rest assured though that I’m very well aware that I myself am not without sin.

Another thing that only just dawned on me today is that I must make myself clearer. When I say things like “But please note that the Book of Revelation is about victory by martyrdom.” I can’t expect  the person I’m talking to to have the same understanding of “martyrdom” as I do. I also must keep myself shorter, and both clearer and shorter is going to be difficult.

Let’s try:

You say: “Jesus demands that we are charitable on a personal basis , not on a politically motivated one like this one is . “

My 5 cents:

 I can sympathize in many ways with my secular friends, who just like you, wish to ban religion into the private sphere.

 Religion is indeed a deeply private and intimate matter. Which is exactly why I feel compassion for my Muslim neighbours who see what is holy to them insulted on a daily basis these days. As a Christian I’m told to love my neighbour as myself and thus it follows I must not take part in those insults, because I know what it feels like to have my faith insulted and it ain’t nice. And this is just one example how it is impossible for me not to transfer my faith in Christ  also to my political opinions. Faith  is not a private hobby and I’m not Christ’s part-time property, but I’m wholly His.

Apparently many of our US-American fellow Christians feel the same way: They’ll openly admit that their political opinions are informed by their religious beliefs and they are proud of it. What bemuses me though is that, even though they claim they base their beliefs on the very Bible that I base mine on, they often seem to arrive at utterly different conclusions on what it is Christ wants.

Edited January 29, 2016 by junobet

[junobet]

4 hours ago, FresnoJoe said:

Beloved, I Am So Glad You Joined Worthy
For Your Comments Do Point Me
Directly To The Holy Bible
And The Creator,
Jesus

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junobet says: Thanks brother, for your kind words. And actually I too profit spiritually from being here:

Now this feels a bit like stripping naked, but just recently comments on this forum made me ponder the crucifixion and various theological theories of atonement again, amongst others that of Jürgen Moltmann. So I felt compelled to reread Psalm 22, that John 19:23-24 refers to, and beheld the deep comfort it holds: That is indeed how Jesus must have felt on the cross and in taking these awful feelings of despair upon Himself God is indeed with all of us who suffer. And after feeling the healing that comes from knowing that Christ is with me in all my suffering, I realized again: whenever I in turn am not with those who suffer, I am not with Christ (Mt. 25:31-45). And whenever I don’t forgive those that make me suffer, I betray the forgiveness He granted those who made Him suffer, including me. (Mt 18:21-35/Lk 23:34)

Islam's god Is Greater Than THE LORD

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:6

 

Please don’t make me go there, brother. I know you are aware of my personal conviction regarding what it means to be a monotheistic Abrahamic religion and you are aware that I’ve been asked not to talk about this, so why raise the topic?  I do hope you know that – whatever you may think they worship - Islam does not claim to have another God than we do. They just think we are wrong in what we think about the one and only God there is. Let’s prove them wrong by showing them how our faith in Christ and His divinity transforms us into better people.

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I Believe The Bible

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

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(...)

 

From The Front Of My Gideon New Testament

 

I’m sure you are aware that “the Front Of My Gideon New Testament” isn’t actually part of the Bible. It’s fine to believe the Bible though. So do I.  But why base that belief on a Psalm that was written long before the Bible was fully compiled?  “Thy word” is clearly not any book, however holy and inspired, but Jesus Christ:

 

“In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² He existed in the beginning with God. ³ Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made. ⁴ In him was life, and that life brought light to humanity. ⁵ And the light shines on in the darkness, and the darkness has never put it out.” (John 1:1-4).

 

May the light of the Living Word shine on us and our understanding when we read the human Biblical testimonies of faith It has inspired.

 

Love and God bless,

 

junobet

Edited January 29, 2016 by junobet
My inability to fully master the quote function. I hope you won't get confused by it.

[gdemoss]

14 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

But the Holy Spirit should reside in you too.  I feel bad everytime I fall short because I don't want to grieve the Holy Spirit.  It seems to help keep me from falling short near as often.

Yes, I thank God through Jesus Christ that with the mind I serve God but with the flesh the law of sin.  Through the spirit I have the victory I do.  Evil is always present with me and I abhor it.

[simplejeff]

The Father says clearly "Whoever seeks Me will find Me".  and He says "the only Way to Me is through Jesus".

not through islam.  not through rcc doctrines. not through lutheran teachings.  not through ecumenism.

Only through Jesus.  

So no one who gets saved can boast in any of those carnal things, but ONLY IN JESUS.

And no one who trusts in any of those carnal things, has learned to trust JESUS.

Seek the FATHER.  He is the ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE.   And He provided the Way: through JESUS.

[Guest Thallasa]

9 hours ago, junobet said:

 

Dear Thalassa,

“sorry mate” is an expression I hear from my husband on almost a daily basis. If you or the person I addressed as such perceive this expression as an insult, I’m really sorry. It was not meant that way.

It is true that I find some of the views uttered here outright vile and verging on the blasphemous. And I’ve noticed that a lot of people here find my views vile and verging on the blasphemous.

But ever since I got here I’ve been trying to argue about opinions/beliefs without devaluating and attacking the persons who hold opinions/beliefs I happen to disagree with. It see that many people feel personally attacked by me anyway and I’m sorry for that, too.

I would appreciate it if you too could at least try to attack my opinion and not my person. Rest assured though that I’m very well aware that I myself am not without sin.

Another thing that only just dawned on me today is that I must make myself clearer. When I say things like “But please note that the Book of Revelation is about victory by martyrdom.” I can’t expect  the person I’m talking to to have the same understanding of “martyrdom” as I do. I also must keep myself shorter, and both clearer and shorter is going to be difficult.

Let’s try:

You say: “Jesus demands that we are charitable on a personal basis , not on a politically motivated one like this one is . “

My 5 cents:

 I can sympathize in many ways with my secular friends, who just like you, wish to ban religion into the private sphere.

 Religion is indeed a deeply private and intimate matter. Which is exactly why I feel compassion for my Muslim neighbours who see what is holy to them insulted on a daily basis these days. As a Christian I’m told to love my neighbour as myself and thus it follows I must not take part in those insults, because I know what it feels like to have my faith insulted and it ain’t nice. And this is just one example how it is impossible for me not to transfer my faith in Christ  also to my political opinions. Faith  is not a private hobby and I’m not Christ’s part-time property, but I’m wholly His.

Apparently many of our US-American fellow Christians feel the same way: They’ll openly admit that their political opinions are informed by their religious beliefs and they are proud of it. What bemuses me though is that, even though they claim they base their beliefs on the very Bible that I base mine on, they often seem to arrive at utterly different conclusions on what it is Christ wants.

It is better not to assume too much from a limited experience  . I would never insult anyone in daily life . I spent over twenty  years of my life almost every day helping ,teaching immigrants .Went out of my way to do so ,and saw many  things which made me doubt in retrospect if I had done the correct thing, in some cases .I also regret not helping those who asked for nothing, but helping too much, some who were never grateful ,never thanked you , always wanted more . 

Where did I say that I believe religion should be in the private sphere  ? I did not ,you misunderstand .