John 24-25

[Pamelasv]

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'They hated me without a cause.'

'They hated Me without a cause.' That is what I have often wondered when it says in other verses how in for instance in John 7:7 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that it's deeds are evil.' --Well, that is a cause, so how does He say it is without a cause? Is He talking about a ligetimate cause?  Is a ligetimate cause a righteous cause? 

[WilliamL]

1 hour ago, Pamelasv said:

Is He talking about a ligetimate cause?  Is a ligetimate cause a righteous cause? 

I believe he is speaking in a Jewish legal sense.

In order to accuse someone before the judges, one had to present a legitimate cause under Jewish law for the accusation to be adjudicated. Saying to people that their deeds are evil according to God's laws -- which is what Jesus did time and again -- would not be a legitimate cause to bring against him in court.

But in fact, they not only brought him to court (the Sanhedrin), they then condemned him to death for an illegitimate cause under Jewish law.

[SINNERSAVED]

he was hated with out cause, and the cause was love from God ,love for the people with out bounds, which they rejected and hated for it was about them and there power,over the people.

and from the humble of our lord , he was a threat to them by what he had done, and there hearts where harden , and there pride puffed up, they did what they did out of hate, for their eyes were not open , and they did not know , for even Jesus on the cross said to forgive them father for they know not what they do , for they were given the power of the world ,to make and do as they will , that was not of the father in heaven ,

and when they saw that they were guilty of the law and the word of God , by the one , they could not accept as the Son of God , they rebelled, and falsely murdered a innocent man , and God which they did not receive at the time , so that they would not look like fools and nothing, in front of the people that looked up to them, they hated HIm with a passion and found away to destroy and remove him , from the public, to silence a man convicted to  be a curse ,and a blasphemous person,  so they went as far as to murder a innocent man and make him a example for others , and to show they were in control, and cursed is he that hangs on the tree?

 but this was what Jesus knew would happen ?

 for He drank of the cup ,of the wrath of the father , and took on to Himself the sins and transgressions of the world, to seal it all up and nailed it to the cross, where He knew that satan and the evil of the fallen ,would want to make him a example , and to defeat him, not knowing that ? by putting Him to death ,would bring upon them there own destruction once and for all,

so satan has lost and the victory is to  God ,over Sin and Death only, was accomplished on the finish work of Jesus , after Jesus had wakled with man , as God did with adam, in the garden , and made Him the bridge, for us to come back to the father , our high (priest)

=to bridge, a way back to the father,

for he was rejected and hated for no reason other then pride and for the evil that satan put in the peoples mind to kill Him,  it has put a end, to all evil and the remissions of sin, and it has taken, the last thing to be conquered and that was sin and death ,

which the law moses was not able to fulfill, but the torah or the law of God ,...still remains,... do not be fooled that it is all taken away by grace ? for if satan knew that,by sending Jesus to His death would destroy Him then He would not have had Him killed, ?

but Jesus being God , and following the will of the father was in control from the beginning to the end of this sacrifice, and the this whole event and all of the people , even satan had hated and did , what God knew he would do , so God is still in complete control

praises ,blessings and glory to the one on high and honor and praise , we are to give to Him, for he came as a lamb to the slaughter and to die for you and me , and went to the cross, for he was hated for showing love , and to also show that evil is real.!!!

blessing to you Pamelasv, I hope this helps

[simplejeff]

we are hated because we follow Him.  we speak His Testimony, His Word. legitimate. righteous. not just righteous cause, but righteous in Him, in everything doing the Father's Will, every moment, every breath, every thought, every dream and hope, as HIS CHILDREN((First John))..

"hate without cause" ((no legitimate cause)) =hated for doing what the Father says.

illegitimate* hate.  hate because we are LIGHTS in the world of evil. hated by those who are serving the prince of the power of the air((world/society)), hated the same reason the prophets of Old Testament were hated and opposed by all who refused their((and Jesus' and our)) message (("turn to Yahweh"; repent, and serve Yahweh and have no other gods )).

"the world loves its own" ((as long as you go along with politic proper society they will praise you and pat you on  the back for voting, no matter how you vote ))

i.e. churches will love you as long as you don't make waves righteously like Jesus does.

i.e. society ((usually)) lets churches alone as long as they STAY QUIET AND NEVER PREACH THE TRUTH.

"it's deeds are evil" completely, totally, perniciously((dragging everyone else down with it))((politic,religious,social,economic,education,medical,etc etc etc etc etc))

2 hours ago, Pamelasv said:

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'They hated me without a cause.'

'They hated Me without a cause.' That is what I have often wondered when it says in other verses how in for instance in John 7:7 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that it's deeds are evil.' --Well, that is a cause, so how does He say it is without a cause? Is He talking about a legitimate cause?  Is a legitimate cause a righteous cause? 

 

le·git·i·mate

adjective conforming to the law or to rules.

[thereselittleflower]

5 hours ago, Pamelasv said:

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'They hated me without a cause.'

'They hated Me without a cause.' That is what I have often wondered when it says in other verses how in for instance in John 7:7 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that it's deeds are evil.' --Well, that is a cause, so how does He say it is without a cause? Is He talking about a ligetimate cause?  Is a ligetimate cause a righteous cause? 

 

Here is what the Greek word, which is translated "cause", means:

 

• δωρεάν dōreán, do-reh-an'; accusative case of G1431 as adverb; gratuitously (literally or figuratively):—without a cause, freely, for naught, in vain.

 

 

 

[Sister]

10 hours ago, Pamelasv said:

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'They hated me without a cause.'

'They hated Me without a cause.' That is what I have often wondered when it says in other verses how in for instance in John 7:7 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that it's deeds are evil.' --Well, that is a cause, so how does He say it is without a cause? Is He talking about a ligetimate cause?  Is a ligetimate cause a righteous cause? 

Pamelasv

Christ did no evil.  He did no harm to any man.  He is not guilty of any charge. 

They didn't hate him for doing evil, but for righteousness.  They hated an innocent man.  He did nothing that deserved death.

Luke 23:22   And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.

  1 Peter 3:17   For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

[Leonardo Von]

On 1/26/2016 at 11:46 AM, Pamelasv said:

If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they both seen and hated Me and My Father as well. But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'They hated me without a cause.'

'They hated Me without a cause.' That is what I have often wondered when it says in other verses how in for instance in John 7:7 'The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that it's deeds are evil.' --Well, that is a cause, so how does He say it is without a cause? Is He talking about a ligetimate cause?  Is a ligetimate cause a righteous cause? 

Dear sister Pamelasv,

 

Grace and mercy and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Let’s see again the passage:

 

·        “If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin. He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.” (John 15.22-25).

 

It’s true that Jesus said:

 

·        “The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.” (John 7.7).

 

However, we have to understand that Jesus said this about the world (the system that rule this world, as well as their rulers). Such people hate Jesus because, in which Jesus manifests His holiness, purity, etc., everyone can see that it is good, perfect, agreeable (Romans 12:2) and possible to live the will of the Eternal.

In this way, the rulers can no longer cover up their sins (or, if you prefer, make excuses for them). In other words, the more Jesus manifests His virtue, the less room the dark princes of this century (political and religious rulers) have to continue their evil and illicit activities.

 However, with regard to the crowd, what is recorded in the book of psalms (from where Jesus quoted "hated me without cause"):

 

·        “Let not them that are mine enemies wrongfully rejoice over me: neither let them wink with the eye that hate me without a cause.” (Psalms 35.19).

·        “But mine enemies are lively, and they are strong: and they that hate me wrongfully are multiplied.” (Psalms 38.19).

·        “They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head: they that would destroy me, being mine enemies wrongfully, are mighty: then I restored that which I took not away.” (Psalms 69.4).

 

After all, how can there be individuals who, even living on the fringe of the system, being exploited by their rulers, still hate Jesus and all that He represents? Unfortunately, the illusion of getting rich enslaves the people in such a way that they think that one day they will reach the top of society.

They forget that we are all passing through this world and that, since it is to suffer in this world, it is far better to suffer with Christ for loving Him and the neighbor, than to suffer as a slave to a bad and corrupt system that only sucks us without nothing to offer in return.

May Jesus give us faith, courage and love to love Him and His will for His sake, instead of wandering through this world without cause (Hosea 9:17), living a meaningless life.