The Adam’s Scratch

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, other one said:

... when did God decide for the Saints to judge the angels as Paul tell us that we will.   Was it an after thought from the Fall in the Garden.....   or before.

We are not told exactly when God made that decision. All we know is that it is Paul who reveals that to us. While we could assume that that decision was made before man was created, it could also have been after the Fall, and after Satan's judgement was pronounced. That is immaterial.  What Christians need to be clear about is that God gave Adam a definite commandment, as well as the consequence of disobedience.  It was never God's intention for Adam to disobey, but it was certainly in God's foreknowledge that he would sin.  Now the whole human race is paying the price for disobedience.

[WordSword]

Not taking sides, but I do not think God could say they were not supposed to sin, which would discredit His omniscience. I also do not think that he was just planning according to what they were choosing. Since He foreknew everything, the primary issue is that He allowed them to do what He knew what they were going to do and already pre-planned it to work for His pleasure.  

[other one]

I don't see how you can say that it was not God's intention for Adam to gain the knowledge when the humans needed that to judge the angels.   And it's even a great poetic justice that the dark lord himself is responsible for doing so.

Why was mankind even created in the first place......    why was the whole of the six day creation even done when as you say God knows everything ahead of time.....   why in the world would he create a universe that he knew was going to be fallen and destroyed in the first place....     one has to think deeply as to why.....

I know people who tell me that my God is the absolute worlds biggest looser for everything he created has been tainted by the very entity he created and turned against him...      

There is reasoning behind all this for my God is not a looser...     and the first thing that came to me was that he created us for things we really don't understand yet.    But Paul let slip one of those things in his writings.  And that starts to put things in a perspective that makes sense.

The mind can not conceive what lays in store for us in the future with the three.    But none of this is happenstance.

 

[simplejeff]

I think little children who have been raised in The Truth ((Jesus)) without ever yet learning even a bad word , never even thinking one, can rightly judge better than most adults or anyone who has willfully sinned.  Maybe not always - who can tell about always ? 

In all instances, it depends on the Father from heaven granting  Truth to be known, as Yahshua said and as Yochanan the immerser said...

[simplejeff]

Yes,  and I think clearly His Plan, the Divine Plan and Purpose, to show forth His Wisdom through out all the ages in the heavenlies and to the angelic beings,

His Perfect Plan, was all Fully Known and Provided for 

before anything was Created;

and all Perfectly Created in , by , and through Yeshua ...  a Perfect Mystery Still as He Pleases.

And Revealed only in Christ, Wonderfully in His Word.

[other one]

8 hours ago, Davida said:

I don't believe GOD wanted Adam to sin & fall prey to Satan.  God never wanted us to defile ourselves or  for the beautiful world that HE Created to be plunged into darkness, but HE DID HAVE a PLAN for OUR SALVATION through JESUS CHRIST , HIS only Begotten Son, and   I believe it is because HE Gave us THE HOLY SPIRIT and THE  Mind of Christ - THIS  is why we will judge angels.  It has ONLY to do With CHRIST. 

then I take it you think judging the angels was an after thought that came after Adam and Eve took of the fruit.

[other one]

Nope. Not at all. Just  the book of Genesis and the new testament wherr Paul states we will judge the angels. I am amazed people are not aware of this.  

[other one]

13 hours ago, hmbld said:

Since God has always known the beginning to the end, I doubt He has an after thought?

I would agree and since he would have known that we were not capable of judging angels not knowing good from e vil, it seems the only thing would be that he expected humans to pick up the that trait by Adam eating the fruit.  The only way I can proceed to it was that it was his intention from the start

[other one]

13 minutes ago, Davida said:

We will judge the world and the angels with Christ because CHRIST was EXALTED above All  and so we will judge with HIM because CHRIST Redeemed us. Yep, I am  aware of Paul's writing this scripture as I assume many are.  However, your conclusions are very different. What you believe seems as something added to the Bible , I believe. By what scripture is it that you are basing your opinion  upon? It seems blasphemous to give credit to anything else as "qualifying" us  but to the fact that GOD hath highly exalted Christ Jesus. 

Phillippians 2:9 "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Ephesians 1:20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 

21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion

, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 

22 And He …

 

 

 

 

Doesn't say we judge withbhik.  Where do you get tha?

[Willa]

Psm 111:10  NKJV The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;  A good understanding have all those who do His commandments.