I Stumbled On This

[Sister]

5 hours ago, thereselittleflower said:

Then the same would be true about the Holy Spirit being inside of The Word and then, to be sent to us, came out of The Word?

therese

Yes.  The holy spirit, the "Spirit of Truth" is always inside God, but when God starts speaking through his Word, the holy spirit gives "life" to those words, and testifies that the Word spoken is true.  God's Word is more than just a vibration of sound.  His Word is living. It's alive.  If we feed on God's Word, we allow the holy spirit to come in, because the holy spirit is there.

  The HS is our lifeline to God, the frequency of "truth" in his Word. The spirit in God's Word is our direct connection to God so he communicates to us through his Word if we receive.

 

[other one]

5 hours ago, Teditis said:

O.o

 

I can't help but say      "What?"
LoL

[thereselittleflower]

39 minutes ago, Sister said:

therese

Yes.  The holy spirit, the "Spirit of Truth" is always inside God, but when God starts speaking through his Word, the holy spirit gives "life" to those words, and testifies that the Word spoken is true.  God's Word is more than just a vibration of sound.  His Word is living. It's alive.  If we feed on God's Word, we allow the holy spirit to come in, because the holy spirit is there.

  The HS is our lifeline to God, the frequency of "truth" in his Word. The spirit in God's Word is our direct connection to God so he communicates to us through his Word if we receive.

 

So The Word and The Holy Spirit are forces that come from God, not persons?

[Sister]

37 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

So The Word and The Holy Spirit are forces that come from God, not persons?

No I don't see the holy spirit as a person.  The holy spirit is God's spirit, and in the Word, the spirit of truth.

When I look at these verses,  I can give an example why I believe the holy spirit is not a person;

Revelation 5:6   And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

Revelation 4:2   And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

 

Revelation 4:3   And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:4   And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 4:5   And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 4:6   And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

 

When John was shown the throne of God, with the Lamb in the Midst, and the 24 elders around, why there was no mention of the holy spirit standing there also if the HS is a separate person? 

 

 

[thereselittleflower]

2 minutes ago, Sister said:

No I don't see the holy spirit as a person.  The holy spirit is God's spirit, and in the Word, the spirit of truth.

When I look at these verses,  I can give an example why I believe the holy spirit is not a person;

Revelation 5:6   And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

Revelation 4:2   And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

 

Revelation 4:3   And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Revelation 4:4   And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 4:5   And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 4:6   And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

 

When John was shown the throne of God, with the Lamb in the Midst, and the 24 elders around, why there was no mention of the holy spirit standing there also if the HS is a separate person? 

 

 

And The Word being a reflection of God, a manifestation of God, would be a manifestation of God's person, but would not really be it's own person either, correct?

 

[Sister]

 Matthew 4:4   But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is "The Word of God", and the holy spirit is "in the Word of God"  The holy spirit cannot be separated, it is one with the Word, and the Word is "one with God".  This is how I believe they all go together.
 

[thereselittleflower]

3 minutes ago, Sister said:

 Matthew 4:4   But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God is "The Word of God", and the holy spirit is "in the Word of God"  The holy spirit cannot be separated, it is one with the Word, and the Word is "one with God".  This is how I believe they all go together.
 

Well it seems to me you are saying there is only ONE Person who is God, and that The Word is an expression of the Person God, and this is one point where what you believe is different than the traditional teaching of the Trinity.

 

[Sister]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

And The Word being a reflection of God, a manifestation of God, would be a manifestation of God's person, but would not really be it's own person either, correct?

 

It's so hard to explain!

The Word of God who is Jesus, is God speaking, yes.  Everything Jesus spoke and did was God speaking through him. All the works he did was God's Works.  Jesus is the manifestation of God yes.  The fullness of God dwells in him.  If you are looking at Jesus, and hearing him speak, it's as if you are looking at God and hearing his voice, for he is God's Word made flesh.

The only difference I can see  is that The Word became flesh, and not God himself.  God's actual Word became flesh.  If we say God died for us, then we are saying that Satan has the power to kill God, his creator, and that doesn't make sense to me, in fact I find it impossible.

[thereselittleflower]

8 minutes ago, Sister said:

It's so hard to explain!

The Word of God who is Jesus, is God speaking, yes.  Everything Jesus spoke and did was God speaking through him. All the works he did was God's Works.  Jesus is the manifestation of God yes.  The fullness of God dwells in him.  If you are looking at Jesus, and hearing him speak, it's as if you are looking at God and hearing his voice, for he is God's Word made flesh.

The only difference I can see  is that The Word became flesh, and not God himself.  God's actual Word became flesh.  If we say God died for us, then we are saying that Satan has the power to kill God, his creator, and that doesn't make sense to me, in fact I find it impossible.

So the sticking point with the Trinity being 3 persons who are each fully God (something impossible to truly comprehend) is that if God Himself came down from heaven and was incarnate in Jesus, then God would have had to have died on the cross.  And that can't be possible because God cannot die, cannot be killed by anyone.

Am I understanding?

[Sister]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

Well it seems to me you are saying there is only ONE Person who is God, and that The Word is an expression of the Person God, and this is one point where what you believe is different than the traditional teaching of the Trinity.

 

The Word of God who is Jesus was given a flesh body.  He became a real man, and now becomes God's Son.  Instead of there being one, there are now two.  The Son never glorified himself, but glorified his Father.  The Father glorified his Son.  The Son prayed to the Father.  The Father tells him what to do and what to say because they are in direct communication always.  The Son obeys. 

The Son says if you want to know God, you have to know me first, then you can know the Father (because he's the Word of God made flesh)

John 6:63   It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 14:10   Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

  John 17:8   For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.