I Stumbled On This

[Sister]

9 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

So do you mean by that The Word is a reflection of God?   Our reflection is not really us, it's our reflection.   But it has no substance, no being.

 

Yes exactly, but because God brought his Word forth out of himself, there is two there now, and the other one is him still.  God is looking at his image, speaking to his image, and his image who has been given life in himself can speak back.

Can you imagine thinking to yourself, and your thoughts answer you back, ......but your thoughts are not invisible, they have a shape and a form, and can think and reason and act on your behalf.  They never go against your will, but always for your will, in total agreeance, with the same purpose.

This is getting harder to explain.

[thereselittleflower]

1 minute ago, Sister said:

Yes exactly, but because God brought his Word forth out of himself, there is two there now, and the other one is him still.  God is looking at his image, speaking to his image, and his image who has been given life in himself can speak.

Can you imagine thinking to yourself, and your thoughts answer you back, ......but your thoughts are not invisible, they have a shape and a form, and can think and reason and act on your behalf.  They never go against your will, but always for your will, in total agreeance, with the same purpose.

This is getting harder to explain.

So The Word is a manifestation of God to Himself?

 

[Sister]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

So The Word is a manifestation of God to Himself?

 

Yes it is - exactly that.

[Sister]

5 minutes ago, Sister said:

Yes it is - exactly that.

Well to us also.  God doesn't need to prove to himself that he exists, and is all powerful, but to us through his Word, he brings forth proof.

[thereselittleflower]

9 minutes ago, Sister said:

Yes it is - exactly that.

 

3 minutes ago, Sister said:

Well to us also.  God doesn't need to prove to himself that he exists, and is all powerful, but to us through his Word, he brings forth proof.

I understood that, but I've been more focused on trying to understand your concept of how 'The Word' relates to God.

 

[thereselittleflower]

So let me share what I am hearing.    I'm hearing that "The Word" is a reflection, a manifestation, of God.      If I compare this to my reflection in a mirror, that reflection shows me to me (or anyone else that sees my reflection), and it's "me" in the sense its my reflection, but it's not actually me because I am me, I am not actually in the reflection in the mirror.

Imagery that we try to use always breaks down, because we are trying to use the finite to describe the infinite.

So let me take another stab at what you are saying.

"The Word" comes from out of God, manifests as, essentially, a refection, a mirror image, of God, and so is beside God, but remains connected to God, one with God.

 

 

[Sister]

2 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

 

I understood that, but I've been more focused on trying to understand your concept of how 'The Word' relates to God.

 

That same Word, that God brought out of himself was spirit and given a name in heaven.  His title is called "The Word of God".

And God wanted to send "his Word" into the world so "the Word" became flesh at this point.

So "The Word of God" is not spirit now, his form has changed, he is "flesh" for a short time.  From spirit to flesh.

Hebrews 2:7   Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

 

But when God made that same Word that was with him in heaven a flesh body, we got to know him as Jesus Christ in our tongue, that's his name on this earth, his flesh name.  This is the name we identify with and the name we call on.  We only see him as a man, the Son of God who did marvelous things and gave himself to the world, but he is so much more than that.

When Christ rose from the dead, he goes back to what he was in the beginning, The Word of God again.  Same man. 

 Revelation 19:13   And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
 

And now he sits on the right hand of the Father, for God is not finished yet, but will send him back with all power and authority, ruling on God's behalf, for God.

 

When all is completed after the 2nd judgement he will go back inside the Father, as he was in the beginning.  I can't find a scripture that states this clearly, but this is what I picture.

 1 Corinthians 15:28   And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Because in Rev there is only one throne not two;

 Revelation 22:1   And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

[Sister]

21 minutes ago, thereselittleflower said:

So let me share what I am hearing.    I'm hearing that "The Word" is a reflection, a manifestation, of God.      If I compare this to my reflection in a mirror, that reflection shows me to me (or anyone else that sees my reflection), and it's "me" in the sense its my reflection, but it's not actually me because I am me, I am not actually in the reflection in the mirror.

Imagery that we try to use always breaks down, because we are trying to use the finite to describe the infinite.

So let me take another stab at what you are saying.

"The Word" comes from out of God, manifests as, essentially, a refection, a mirror image, of God, and so is beside God, but remains connected to God, one with God.

 

 

Yes therese, that's how I am trying to explain it.

[thereselittleflower]

1 minute ago, Sister said:

Yes therese, that's how I am trying to explain it.

So if I understand you right,  "The Word" wasn't always that mirror image of God, that manifestation of God, but at some point became this, and so had a beginning as the manifestation of God.

To say that "The Word" came out of God and became the manifestation of God means there was a time when The Word was not the manifestation of God, was not beside God.

Am I understanding?

 

 

[other one]

1 hour ago, thereselittleflower said:

Yet the Trinity teaching teaches God the Son was, and has always been, and will always be,  God the Son.

 

the trinity teaching is simply wrong....  Jesus was not the son of God before he was incarnated.....   to be a son, God would have to have created him, and most people I know say that what Jesus was before being flesh was always with the Father and not created.