Eve in the Garden and the taking of the fruit, forbidden ?

[gdemoss]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

Since no umbilical cords were involved, there could be no belly buttons. 

How would we 'know' that there was no such thing when all we have is a basic explanation?  

[Ezra]

12 hours ago, gdemoss said:

How would we 'know' that there was no such thing when all we have is a basic explanation?  

We would know for the simple reason that Adam and Eve were fully formed mature adults when they were created.  It is only babies in wombs which have umbilical cords, hence belly buttons, so Cain and Abel would have been the first to show a connection to their mother's womb.

It is also evident from the narrative that they both could communicate fluently and perfectly since God included that ability within them when He created them.  They were perfect specimens of humanity since the Bible says that God viewed his entire creation and pronounced it as "very good".  When God says something is "very good" it means excellent.

[other one]

maybe God just gave them one so they would look normal...

 

[other one]

Regarding Adam and Eve and what happened in the Garden, one needs to know at what time God decided for us to judge the angels.....    When mankind was created they did not have the knowledge of good and evil which really would not have given them the ability to judge anything.   So, either God made Adam and Eve and when they ate of the fruit and picked up the knowledge he decided off hand to let manking judge the angels, or he knew from the beginning that we would judge the angels and in that case He intended for them to fail and eat of the fruit.....   Oddly enough it was Satan himself that made that happen by deceiving Eve.

So what I see happening in the Garden of Eden was God preparing mankind to be judges at the expense of the devil.

Many more things will come of us being born again, but I do believe this was the actual start of things.

[gdemoss]

11 hours ago, Ezra said:

We would know for the simple reason that Adam and Eve were fully formed mature adults when they were created.  It is only babies in wombs which have umbilical cords, hence belly buttons, so Cain and Abel would have been the first to show a connection to their mother's womb.

It is also evident from the narrative that they both could communicate fluently and perfectly since God included that ability within them when He created them.  They were perfect specimens of humanity since the Bible says that God viewed his entire creation and pronounced it as "very good".  When God says something is "very good" it means excellent.

While this is a perfectly logical conclusion it cannot be made without using speculative imagination and therefore cannot be held as truth.  Probable but not absolute for God could have given them one anyway.  It very well could have come up out of the ground as a grape vine and grew into a human being that plucked off and became a belly button perfectly formed. 

The moment I begin to speculate about things I do not know I am prone to fall into error.  My example above is probably far from reality but is plausible.   So I conclude that your senario is most likely true but admit that because God has not given enough information concerning the issue that we cannot be sure.

Sounds silly but using this logic where man is to beleive that which he can calculate based upon what he knows and make deductions from speculating that there is nothing else that can be known leads us to faulty conclusions through baseless assumptions.  God never said we have all the details nor did he affirm we do not.  

I would rather admit that I don't know than to speculate and be wrong.  Did they have a bellybutton? I cannot say one way or another.  I simply do not know.

 

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, gdemoss said:

I would rather admit that I don't know than to speculate and be wrong. 

There is absolutely no *speculation* in this regard.  Adam and Eve were direct creations of God, and had no mothers.  End of story.  I never speculate about things which are not revealed.  But it is clearly revealed that both Adam and Eve were direct miraculous creations of God.  Or don't you believe that?  There are many who think that they were mythical creatures.

[gdemoss]

20 minutes ago, Ezra said:

There is absolutely no *speculation* in this regard.  Adam and Eve were direct creations of God, and had no mothers.  End of story.  I never speculate about things which are not revealed.  But it is clearly revealed that both Adam and Eve were direct miraculous creations of God.  Or don't you believe that?  There are many who think that they were mythical creatures.

Yes, I beleive they were direct creations of God.  He was formed of the dust of the ground.  But how is it that you beleive you can declare with any certainty what that process looked like and what effect it may or may not have had upon his navel? Please help me see how you can conclude such things given only that which is written without adding to it. 

[enoob57]

What Ezra is saying that the navel is a direct result of the witness of being a progeny of the male and female...
Adam was the first and Eve was made from His rib neither have the witness of progeny. For God to have made
a belly button would have been a false witness of their beginnings...   Love, Steven

[other one]

5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

What Ezra is saying that the navel is a direct result of the witness of being a progeny of the male and female...
Adam was the first and Eve was made from His rib neither have the witness of progeny. For God to have made
a belly button would have been a false witness of their beginnings...   Love, Steven

Noob, that is also speculation....

[enoob57]

8 minutes ago, other one said:

Noob, that is also speculation....

As far as God saying 'Word' -yes.... but as far as 'Word' leading -no