Scriptures says, God comes back to raise the dead First in christ ?

[Your closest friendnt]

Jonh 11:25,                      Jesus said;    I am the resuraction and the life,

He that believeth in me,                     Though he were dead, yet shall he live; 

11:26                                               And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die, 

 

[simplejeff]

On March 16, 2016 at 8:30 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

 1 Thessalonians 4:13   But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

  1 Thessalonians 4:14   For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

  1 Thessalonians 4:15   For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

  1 Thessalonians 4:16   For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

  1 Thessalonians 4:17   Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

  1 Thessalonians 4:18   Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

  1 Thessalonians 5:1   But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

  1 Thessalonians 5:2   For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

  1 Thessalonians 5:3   For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

  1 Thessalonians 5:4   But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

  1 Thessalonians 5:5   Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

  1 Thessalonians 5:6   Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
I believe this is where I got the idea to post what I did, the dead rises first and them that are alive and remain,

blessings brother, I hope this helps.

Yes.  His WORD is True.  Yahweh simple.  Man came up with many wrong distractions/ complications....

[Your closest friendnt]

On 3/18/2016 at 8:34 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

Jonh 11:25,                      Jesus said;    I am the resuraction and the life,

He that believeth in me,                     Though he were dead, yet shall he live; 

11:26                                               And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die, 

 

Jonh 11:11, Jesus said, our friend Lazarus sleepeth, but I go that I may wake him out of sleep.

11:14, Then Jesus said unto then plainly, Lazarus is dead. 

Where did the people like Lazarus go after they died. 

Is it possible to know?

Did Jesus sleep or died on the Cross.

Did he died on the Cross, and then they put him to sleep in the tomb in the cave in the rock. 

Out of the rock will come the living water.

[SINNERSAVED]

lets revisit this, for it came at the time that jesus was crucified that the graves were open, so what does this mean, and what could be the reasoning to this mystery ? inquiry minds want to know

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, SINNERSAVED said:

lets revisit this, for it came at the time that jesus was crucified that the graves were open, so what does this mean, and what could be the reasoning to this mystery ? inquiry minds want to know

Did this happen at the time of the earthquay? 

What is the very specific and actual description, " the graves were open".

Watch out for the mind how it does interfere from store images of movies, and discriptive pictures 

That comes to memory.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

Did this happen at the time of the earthquay? 

What is the very specific and actual description, " the graves were open".

Watch out for the mind how it does interfere from store images of movies, and discriptive pictures 

That comes to memory.

 

What is the graves at that time, how they were deferent from today, 

[Retrobyter]

On March 15, 2016 at 2:21 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

according to the scriptures, this may be ,a simple question, but yet ,with thought and time to think of this,

 would the scripture that states when Jesus returns Yashua, that the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we which are alive will be next, to meet him in the air,? would this be as it is said after the tribulation, when the coming of the son of man, those in Christ that are asleep will be raised, and then those that are alive next,

 if Yashua was crucified , and then risen on the third day, and then there was witness I believe that the graves opened up , and would the call of those asleep already be raised when Jesus risen, and now it will be those of us that are able to stand and be alive when He comes to be taken, ?

 so the question is, is the dead in Christ somewhere awaiting to be raised or have they already been risen, and now those that are alive, it will be our time, ?

 or is this one time event that happens back to back, on the second coming of Yeshua ?

blessings and it is a thought, to ponder....

Shalom, SINNERSAVED.

 AYE, THAT is the million-dollar question, now, isn't it? It is upon this question that so many denominations and factions have been formed! We have actually named whole eschatological points of view by one's answer to this question! IF one believes it is AFTER the tribulation, then one may be considered a "posttribulational rapturist." If one believes it is BEFORE the tribulation begins, one is a "pretribulational rapturist." If one believes it is somewhere in the middle of the tribulation, then one may be considered a "midtribulational rapturist," or, since the latter half of the 70th week of Daniel (which some call the tribulation) is often called the GREAT tribulation or the period of God's WRATH, a "pre-wrath rapturist."

Of course, all of these positions are based upon a "premillennialism" or a "millenniarian" position; that is, that the Millennium is separate and distinct and is yet to happen AFTER the Lord returns. Some teach that the "Millennium" is a current period, not literally a 1000-year period, that is happening now. Those who believe that, believe that the Lord returns AFTER the millennium, that is, POSTmillennial"; or if they minimize the concept of a period known as a "millennium," then they might be considered "Amillennial"; that is, "NO millennium."

 A position that has lately received some momentum is the concept that each of us is "resurrected" when we go to Heaven and receive our new bodies there. I call it a DENIAL of a literal interpretation of "the Resurrection." Have the dead "already been risen, and now those that are alive, it will be our time (at death)?

ARE the dead in Christ somewhere (like "Heaven") awaiting to be raised? OR are the dead in Christ NON-EXISTENT awaiting to be raised?

Are the dead in Christ raised a thousand years before the rest of the dead are raised (to stand before the Great White Throne Judgment) or is there a GENERAL Resurrection of both the "dead in Christ" and the rest of the dead, the just and the unjust, ALL to stand before God's Throne and receive judgment at the same time?

Many people are staunch believers in one position or another, even to the point of anger and vicious attack against one who doesn't hold to their beliefs.

Others camp on one set of Scripture verses or another in defense of their pet position.

I believe a particular way which is fairly said to be unique, as I don't subscribe to any one popular position. My position is based upon the definitions of certain key words and those definitions are based upon the general meaning of the word as given in its occurrences in Scripture and that word's etymology. I will then generalize the definition so it can include the "outliers" of what others call multiple definitions for a word. In that way, I will arrive at a general definition that will fit every occurrence of the word in the Scriptures. The principle is this: The more detailed the definition, the more nebulous its interpretation in various passages. The broader the definition, the more exact its interpretation in those passages of Scripture.

Some just give up and say, "I don't know." Others will warn, "If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything!"

[SINNERSAVED]

that's a good observation, and I thank you for that, for that was respectable and I do accept all that you say and agree, now,

to try to find out what was in the past is ,something we can talk about for it is in scripture and a educated  guess would be fun, and to see what others think could be very interesting to see if there was not a rapture already with the dead in Christ ?

 when Jesus rose from the grave and the great earth quake , and the graves were open, how would we catergorize  this event

 was it first fruits,  was it the dead in Christ has risen and or now as people die in the lord they are still going to  HIM is there another of the dead to raise , or has it already happen ? Hmmm??? what do you think .this is a mystery any one got answers  or suggestions ?

[MorningGlory]

On 3/15/2016 at 1:21 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

according to the scriptures, this may be ,a simple question, but yet ,with thought and time to think of this,

 would the scripture that states when Jesus returns Yashua, that the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we which are alive will be next, to meet him in the air,? would this be as it is said after the tribulation, when the coming of the son of man, those in Christ that are asleep will be raised, and then those that are alive next,

 if Yashua was crucified , and then risen on the third day, and then there was witness I believe that the graves opened up , and would the call of those asleep already be raised when Jesus risen, and now it will be those of us that are able to stand and be alive when He comes to be taken, ?

 so the question is, is the dead in Christ somewhere awaiting to be raised or have they already been risen, and now those that are alive, it will be our time, ?

 or is this one time event that happens back to back, on the second coming of Yeshua ?

blessings and it is a thought, to ponder....

1 Thessalonians - KJV makes it pretty clear........

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

[SINNERSAVED]

 Matthew 27:52   And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

  Matthew 27:53   And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
 and this verse

  John 5:28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

 so what do you make of this , this is new testament scripture explaining , what had happen, is this what was said that the dead will be raised first, ? for if they rose, would it not be everyone in the lord, that raised ?

 John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
 Acts 24:15   And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
 Romans 8:11   But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
 1 Corinthians 15:20   But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
 1 Corinthians 15:52   In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed

 so here are a few verses of many to work with , any ideas   feel free to comment, blessings