the angel Gabriel came to mary / and muhammad ? what ?

[SINNERSAVED]

Here I have a question and it seems to be strange , but its in the bible and its in the Quran we have a bible of peace and love and a savior, that will place the government on His shoulders, he will take away the Sins of the world away , by going to the cross , and shed His blood, a agape love, and how we are to love one another and to follow God,  to save us from the world ,  and so this angel we are told in scripture comes to mary and joseph  about the son of God to come, by the angel Gabriel ,

 now the one that has come to muhammad, in the cave of his praying , is also named Gabriel, ?

 and so we have what could be the same angel in the two different sectors. of love and hate and giving a word from God ?

 this was interesting , and wanted to share it with people , for the quran has scriptures that mimick some of the scriptures in bible, it talks about some of the people in both , and we say , that the quran is about klilling people and hate-ing , and the bible talks love, but they both have this angel, ?

 what do you say is really going on here, , this is strange, ?

[other one]

3 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

Here I have a question and it seems to be strange , but its in the bible and its in the Quran we have a bible of peace and love and a savior, that will place the government on His shoulders, he will take away the Sins of the world away , by going to the cross , and shed His blood, a agape love, and how we are to love one another and to follow God,  to save us from the world ,  and so this angel we are told in scripture comes to mary and joseph  about the son of God to come, by the angel Gabriel ,

 now the one that has come to muhammad, in the cave of his praying , is also named Gabriel, ?

 and so we have what could be the same angel in the two different sectors. of love and hate and giving a word from God ?

 this was interesting , and wanted to share it with people , for the quran has scriptures that mimick some of the scriptures in bible, it talks about some of the people in both , and we say , that the quran is about klilling people and hate-ing , and the bible talks love, but they both have this angel, ?

 what do you say is really going on here, , this is strange, ?

From the start Mohammad thought the entity was a demon.....   it was his wife that convinced him it was the angel Gabriel....    Mohammad was correct.

[SINNERSAVED]

5 minutes ago, other one said:

From the start Mohammad thought the entity was a demon.....   it was his wife that convinced him it was the angel Gabriel....    Mohammad was correct.

that's a good one, but they do use Gabriel as the angel given the words to Muhammad, funny aint it ?

[SINNERSAVED]

18 minutes ago, other one said:

From the start Mohammad thought the entity was a demon.....   it was his wife that convinced him it was the angel Gabriel....    Mohammad was correct.

I understand that he was also suicidal ,  could he be possesed and then to carry out what drives him to say ? we will never know Huh...

[Your closest friendnt]

There is something I notice that is of a mild consern to me.

First I don't quite agree with the way you trying to communicate your feelings by using a small character when you wrote the name of the mother of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, for I am consern about how you use her name to vent out your negative feelings about how some people have done something that it is about her, and all that without her encouraging anything, and without her consent. 

And you know very well that her name is" Myriam". 

[Esther4:14]

I think both stories about seeing an angel and seeing a demon are lies.  Unfortunately, everything in regard this subject is speculation because the truth may have died with those involved, but I think that there was some attempt to make an alliance with Muhammad by teachers of the law.  

"For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. ¹¹ They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.¹² One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” ¹³ This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith  and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth." (Titus 1:10-14).  

What Paul is saying here in Titus is how the Koran was established and was only spiritualized in order to gain converts. 

Many people in scripture often did things like this to make money.  Like when the apostles made the owners of the demon possessed girl mad because she was healed and they couldn't make money.  Or, like when the idol makers were worried the apostles would put them out of business.   

Apparently, idol worship is profitable so you need to pursue the proper advertising methods so that people don't just see you as a tiny man behind a curtain (The Wizard of Oz).  

There are numerous similarities between the Talmud and the Koran to suggest that there was some sort of alliance involved.  This is not to create discrimination against a person who is a Jew.  This is solely a doctrinal issue and comparison.  

In particular, the views towards Christ are very similar between the Koran and the Talmud.  If you are interested, Peter Schafer from Princeton University has done a thorough examination in his book Jesus in the Talmud that will demonstrate the persecution both lines of thinking in Judaism and Islam have towards Christianity.  It is intended to promote dialogue between religious groups because if more people in Christianity would rebuke the Talmud, maybe more people in Judaism would repent.  The Talmud is a shield that prevents them from focus on the words of the prophets convicting them to repent in order to be healed.  

The Koran also tells the story of Abraham, which to me further proves that the origin of Islam was only a method intended to stop the spread of Christianity by the promotion of a false Christ, Muhammad.  

This objective of becoming a prophet with permissions to use the scripture to his advantage resulted in much of the same privileges of televangelists today.  Kenneth Copeland can constantly be heard bragging about his jet, and I would imagine that Muhammad was the same way bragging about his 11 wives.  Lying to his converts that they would be able to have the same when they died.  

Any way you look at it, I think all stories of the origin of Islam is lies, and the truth is that becoming the prophet of Islam was for financial gain and with the hope of ending the spread of Christianity that was detrimental to many people who depended on idolatry for their livelihood.  

" Go; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.4"Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way," (Luke 10:3-4).  

 

[Retrobyter]

On March 28, 2016 at 2:17 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

Here I have a question and it seems to be strange , but its in the bible and its in the Quran we have a bible of peace and love and a savior, that will place the government on His shoulders, he will take away the Sins of the world away , by going to the cross , and shed His blood, a agape love, and how we are to love one another and to follow God,  to save us from the world ,  and so this angel we are told in scripture comes to mary and joseph  about the son of God to come, by the angel Gabriel ,

 now the one that has come to muhammad, in the cave of his praying , is also named Gabriel, ?

 and so we have what could be the same angel in the two different sectors. of love and hate and giving a word from God ?

 this was interesting , and wanted to share it with people , for the quran has scriptures that mimick some of the scriptures in bible, it talks about some of the people in both , and we say , that the quran is about klilling people and hate-ing , and the bible talks love, but they both have this angel, ?

 what do you say is really going on here, , this is strange, ?

Shalom, SINNERSAVED.

Well, Islam teaches that the Quran SUPERCEDED the Bible as God's Word, just as the New Testament superceded the Old Testament. They also teach that Christianity superceded Judaism and Islam superceded Christianity! So, it wouldn't do to have Daniel addressed by Gabriel (Hebrew: Gavri'el) and Mary (Hebrew: Miryam) addressed by Gabriel (Gavri'el) without THEIR prophet AT LEAST addressed in the same way! It's a "one-upper." After all, Muhammed is supposed to be a superior prophet!

[MorningGlory]

On 3/28/2016 at 1:17 PM, SINNERSAVED said:

Here I have a question and it seems to be strange , but its in the bible and its in the Quran we have a bible of peace and love and a savior, that will place the government on His shoulders, he will take away the Sins of the world away , by going to the cross , and shed His blood, a agape love, and how we are to love one another and to follow God,  to save us from the world ,  and so this angel we are told in scripture comes to mary and joseph  about the son of God to come, by the angel Gabriel ,

 now the one that has come to muhammad, in the cave of his praying , is also named Gabriel, ?

 and so we have what could be the same angel in the two different sectors. of love and hate and giving a word from God ?

 this was interesting , and wanted to share it with people , for the quran has scriptures that mimick some of the scriptures in bible, it talks about some of the people in both , and we say , that the quran is about klilling people and hate-ing , and the bible talks love, but they both have this angel, ?

 what do you say is really going on here, , this is strange, ?

The way I understand the story in the Qur'an, an 'angel' appeared to Mohammad in the cave and said he was Gabriel.  This angel attacked Mohammad and threw him to the ground and then gave him what is considered Scripture by muslims.  We know that if was the real Gabriel, he would not attack a human nor would he bring an unholy message.  Mohammad was so traumatized by the encounter he contemplated suicide afterwards.  What came to Mohammad was a demon, obviously. The Qur'an copys Scripture and twists it.  You will find Ishmael, not Isaac, being almost sacrificed and Jesus being taken down from the Cross still alive to counter the Resurrection.  It's an evil book which is full of lies.

[SINNERSAVED]

18 hours ago, Esther4:14 said:

I think both stories about seeing an angel and seeing a demon are lies.  Unfortunately, everything in regard this subject is speculation because the truth may have died with those involved, but I think that there was some attempt to make an alliance with Muhammad by teachers of the law.  

"For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group. ¹¹ They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.¹² One of Crete’s own prophets has said it: “Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons.” ¹³ This saying is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith  and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth." (Titus 1:10-14).  

What Paul is saying here in Titus is how the Koran was established and was only spiritualized in order to gain converts. 

Many people in scripture often did things like this to make money.  Like when the apostles made the owners of the demon possessed girl mad because she was healed and they couldn't make money.  Or, like when the idol makers were worried the apostles would put them out of business.   

Apparently, idol worship is profitable so you need to pursue the proper advertising methods so that people don't just see you as a tiny man behind a curtain (The Wizard of Oz).  

There are numerous similarities between the Talmud and the Koran to suggest that there was some sort of alliance involved.  This is not to create discrimination against a person who is a Jew.  This is solely a doctrinal issue and comparison.  

In particular, the views towards Christ are very similar between the Koran and the Talmud.  If you are interested, Peter Schafer from Princeton University has done a thorough examination in his book Jesus in the Talmud that will demonstrate the persecution both lines of thinking in Judaism and Islam have towards Christianity.  It is intended to promote dialogue between religious groups because if more people in Christianity would rebuke the Talmud, maybe more people in Judaism would repent.  The Talmud is a shield that prevents them from focus on the words of the prophets convicting them to repent in order to be healed.  

The Koran also tells the story of Abraham, which to me further proves that the origin of Islam was only a method intended to stop the spread of Christianity by the promotion of a false Christ, Muhammad.  

This objective of becoming a prophet with permissions to use the scripture to his advantage resulted in much of the same privileges of televangelists today.  Kenneth Copeland can constantly be heard bragging about his jet, and I would imagine that Muhammad was the same way bragging about his 11 wives.  Lying to his converts that they would be able to have the same when they died.  

Any way you look at it, I think all stories of the origin of Islam is lies, and the truth is that becoming the prophet of Islam was for financial gain and with the hope of ending the spread of Christianity that was detrimental to many people who depended on idolatry for their livelihood.  

" Go; behold, I send you out as lambs in the midst of wolves.4"Carry no money belt, no bag, no shoes; and greet no one on the way," (Luke 10:3-4).  

 

well stated and very good observation, thank you for your response, blessings to you , and remember, we all need food for thought ?

[SINNERSAVED]

1 hour ago, MorningGlory said:

The way I understand the story in the Qur'an, an 'angel' appeared to Mohammad in the cave and said he was Gabriel.  This angel attacked Mohammad and threw him to the ground and then gave him what is considered Scripture by muslims.  We know that if was the real Gabriel, he would not attack a human nor would he bring an unholy message.  Mohammad was so traumatized by the encounter he contemplated suicide afterwards.  What came to Mohammad was a demon, obviously. The Qur'an copys Scripture and twists it.  You will find Ishmael, not Isaac, being almost sacrificed and Jesus being taken down from the Cross still alive to counter the Resurrection.  It's an evil book which is full of lies.

thank you for that response, please tell me more, I am very interested, and I think you make a great story teller,

it is also nice to see your understanding and comment to this, it helps many to see what some of the things we do not talk about , easy to understand, thank you