the scripture of Genesis Water above, and water below the heavens ?

[other one]

21 minutes ago, Kan said:

Example?

We are off on a travel starting early in the morning and it's getting late.....   I asked Oakwood if he wanted to have the discussion with you and he might.  As for me, I'm Branson bound and a week of fun.

[OakWood]

The Earth is flat and does not move. I've said this before and I've been mocked for it... but I stand by my convictions. Outer Space is a lie and the hoax is designed to set us up for a great deception. Many people believe in aliens but those who claim to have encountered aliens have been deceived by demons. When the Tribulation comes many people will be deceived by this New Age' extra-terrestrial lie.

NASA is lying to us... the photographs have been faked. Believe the Bible not NASA..... The Earth does not move, nor is it a Globe. There is a firmament above us and we cannot escape it. The Universe is not billions of light-years across, there was no Big Bang and Evolution is a lie.... We live on a Flat Earth with a dome above us and the heavens move across the ceiling of this dome. The Earth does not revolve around the Sun... the Sun moves above us across the ceiling that we live below.

[Retrobyter]

9 minutes ago, OakWood said:

The Earth is flat and does not move. I've said this before and I've been mocked for it... but I stand by my convictions. Outer Space is a lie and the hoax is designed to set us up for a great deception. Many people believe in aliens but those who claim to have encountered aliens have been deceived by demons. When the Tribulation comes many people will be deceived by this New Age' extra-terrestrial lie.

NASA is lying to us... the photographs have been faked. Believe the Bible not NASA..... The Earth does not move, nor is it a Globe. There is a firmament above us and we cannot escape it. The Universe is not billions of light-years across, there was no Big Bang and Evolution is a lie.... We live on a Flat Earth with a dome above us and the heavens move across the ceiling of this dome. The Earth does not revolve around the Sun... the Sun moves above us across the ceiling that we live below.

Would you care to explain how it has been possible to travel around the world always moving east?

[SINNERSAVED]

13 minutes ago, OakWood said:

The Earth is flat and does not move. I've said this before and I've been mocked for it... but I stand by my convictions. Outer Space is a lie and the hoax is designed to set us up for a great deception. Many people believe in aliens but those who claim to have encountered aliens have been deceived by demons. When the Tribulation comes many people will be deceived by this New Age' extra-terrestrial lie.

NASA is lying to us... the photographs have been faked. Believe the Bible not NASA..... The Earth does not move, nor is it a Globe. There is a firmament above us and we cannot escape it. The Universe is not billions of light-years across, there was no Big Bang and Evolution is a lie.... We live on a Flat Earth with a dome above us and the heavens move across the ceiling of this dome. The Earth does not revolve around the Sun... the Sun moves above us across the ceiling that we live below.

after  research and study on my own, I will second your statement, and say I agree with you 100 %,

 and all that you said is correct, for I have found it out to all be lies, my self, now , how is this proven for many will say , were is the proof.

 well, they gave it too you right in front of your face, if we have a space  that is not like how the wind blows on earth , in fact it gets thinner and thinner the higher you go , until all is still and does not move, and you have a American flag flying in the wind ? start with that, and then the shadows and the ground that the astronots  are on,  it does not change, and when they are running they continue to move like gravity is present ? this is what I found out in my research ,  but I could be wrong, its my opinion,. of course,

so  thank you  Oakwood for that comment and observation

[OakWood]

Just now, Retrobyter said:

Would you care to explain how it has been possible to travel around the world always moving east?

I've been through this before and the thread was closed. I'm not an expert but I'll try to answer a few questions.

Firstly, the Earth is flat but we live on a disk, a round flat circle, so you when you circumnavigate the Globe you are just moving around the flat disc.

Secondly, the prevailing winds and currents are circular and move around the Earth. They will effect how you travel (whether above the Earth in a airplane or on the sea by ship).

 

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, OakWood said:

I've been through this before and the thread was closed. I'm not an expert but I'll try to answer a few questions.

Firstly, the Earth is flat but we live on a disk, a round flat circle, so you when you circumnavigate the Globe you are just moving around the flat disc.

Secondly, the prevailing winds and currents are circular and move around the Earth. They will effect how you travel (whether above the Earth in a airplane or on the sea by ship).

 

there is a end you reach and you cannot go any further,?  just like on the ocean or the air, you reach to a point , and then it ends, you do not go forever, that is what I learned, but I could be wrong ?

[SINNERSAVED]

57 minutes ago, Kan said:

It's possible that the landing was faked, but that does not make the earth flat...

true ?

but, ? if they fake and lie at one thing, whats the odds , its not all a lie ?

[OakWood]

23 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

there is a end you reach and you cannot go any further,?  just like on the ocean or the air, you reach to a point , and then it ends, you do not go forever, that is what I learned, but I could be wrong ?

If the Earth is enclosed under a dome then there has to be an end, but you have to imagine that we live in a snow globe, or imagine us living on the base of a huge planetarium and we are surrounded by a circular wall. The wall is to be found in Antarctica...... so we are surrounded by a land of ice which holds the oceans in and stops us from sailing over the edge....

This is the flat (round) Earth that we live on. You can't sail off the edge because we are surrounded by Antarctica. At the outer edge of Antarctica is the base of the dome of the heavens. Above us is the apex of the dome which is above the North Pole. There is no South Pole.... they have lied to us. A magnetic compass will demonstrate that.

[Retrobyter]

50 minutes ago, other one said:

It hasn't been that long since we had one.....   and since I am not a flat earther, It would not do for me to start one.  My only dog in this hunt was that the Bible literally says we live on a flat earth.

Shalom, other one.

Actually, the Bible doesn't say we live on a flat earth. It is man's INTERPRETATION of what the Bible says that convinces some that we live on a flat earth. It's not the four "corners" of the earth, for example. It's the four "quarters" of the earth; we still speak in terms of the eastern or western hemisphere as well as the northern or southern hemisphere. That breaks the surface of the planet up into four sections, NE, NW, SE, and SW.

The "rising of the sun" is simply a matter of relative perspective. Simple mathematics can prove, by the movements of the sun and the moon from the perspective of the earth, that we live on a giant ball, just as the sun can be observed (with special equipment) to rotate, and the phases of the moon show us that its surface is curved like a ball, as well. There was an image (actually two) of the moon taken from two different times of the year, that when one looked at them through a steroscope its ball-like curvature could be seen by the observer. Here are some examples: stereoscopic pictures of the moon.

If you can look "beyond" the pictures and line the two images up in your vision, overlapping them until there are three images in your vision, you can view these pictures without the aid of a stereoscope.

[OakWood]

1 minute ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, other one.

Actually, the Bible doesn't say we live on a flat earth. It is man's INTERPRETATION of what the Bible says that convinces some that we live on a flat earth. It's not the four "corners" of the earth, for example. It's the four "quarters" of the earth; we still speak in terms of the eastern or western hemisphere as well as the northern or southern hemisphere. That breaks the surface of the planet up into four sections, NE, NW, SE, and SW.

The "rising of the sun" is simply a matter of relative perspective. Simple mathematics can prove, by the movements of the sun and the moon from the perspective of the earth, that we live on a giant ball, just as the sun can be observed (with special equipment) to rotate, and the phases of the moon show us that its surface is curved like a ball, as well. There was an image (actually two) of the moon taken from two different times of the year, that when one looked at them through a steroscope its ball-like curvature could be seen by the observer. Here are some examples: stereoscopic pictures of the moon.

If you can look "beyond" the pictures and line the two images up in your vision, overlapping them until there are three images in your vision, you can view these pictures without the aid of a stereoscope.

Man's interpretation? I think you should listen to God's interpretation. You sound like somebody who believes that the Bible is a man-made myth. In fact you are the one who is guilty of using Man's interpretation of scripture by using the false globe model as a basis for your theory.

The Bible makes it very clear that the Earth does not move. It is fixed upon pillars. God is not the author of deception, nor does he speak in riddles. If the Earth does not move it neither rotates around its axis, nor does it orbit anything. Now the Bible does not expressly claim that the Earth is flat, I admit that... but neither does it claim that the Earth is a Globe. Remember that when Jesus was in the wilderness he was taken up onto a high mountain and shown the entire Earth. This would not be possible upon a Globe.