Scriptures against the false pre-tribulation rapture doctrine

[Guest shiloh357]

2 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

No the Bible says the bowls are filled with the wrath of God, it does not say that about the seals and trumpets. Saying the seals and trumpets contain the wrath of God is only your opinion, which is not in the Bible. My opinion is only the bowls contain the wrath of God, as the Bible plainly says. You shouldn't be adding your opinion to the Bible, claiming it says so. 

Okay, not so much the seals, but definitely the trumpets.  During those trumpets there are hail, fire and blood and 1/3 of the trees grass are burnt up. 1/3 of the seas are turned to blood and the sea life dies, and ships are destroyed. A start called wormwood is caused to fall from heaven and poisons 1/3 of the water.  There is all manner of calamity, and demonic activity is now allowed to run rampant on the earth.   It is not specifically called the wrath of God, but it is understood to be so.  That stuff is not being caused by Satan, but by God's wrath.

[missmuffet]

8 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Okay, not so much the seals, but definitely the trumpets.  During those trumpets there are hail, fire and blood and 1/3 of the trees grass are burnt up. 1/3 of the seas are turned to blood and the sea life dies, and ships are destroyed. A start called wormwood is caused to fall from heaven and poisons 1/3 of the water.  There is all manner of calamity, and demonic activity is now allowed to run rampant on the earth.   It is not specifically called the wrath of God, but it is understood to be so.  That stuff is not being caused by Satan, but by God's wrath.

That is why I can not understand why many say we are now in the tribulation

[Guest shiloh357]

12 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

That is why I can not understand why many say we are now in the tribulation

Same here.  It would be crazy to think are in the tribulation at this point.  Those who say this is the trib have not studied it in depth.

[ENOCH2010]

17 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Okay, not so much the seals, but definitely the trumpets.  During those trumpets there are hail, fire and blood and 1/3 of the trees grass are burnt up. 1/3 of the seas are turned to blood and the sea life dies, and ships are destroyed. A start called wormwood is caused to fall from heaven and poisons 1/3 of the water.  There is all manner of calamity, and demonic activity is now allowed to run rampant on the earth.   It is not specifically called the wrath of God, but it is understood to be so.  That stuff is not being caused by Satan, but by God's wrath.

At least you acknowledge the wrong in your doctrine stating that the seals are included in the wrath of God, now when you admit the trumpets (even though they are going to be a terrible time) are not included in the wrath of God also, you will be stating the true word of God.

[missmuffet]

37 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

Same here.  It would be crazy to think are in the tribulation at this point.  Those who say this is the trib have not studied it in depth.

Those tragedies could easily kill of millions or billions.

[Guest shiloh357]

51 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

At least you acknowledge the wrong in your doctrine stating that the seals are included in the wrath of God, now when you admit the trumpets (even though they are going to be a terrible time) are not included in the wrath of God also, you will be stating the true word of God.

What I described is the wrath of God along with the bowls.  It may not call the trumpets the wrath of God in so many words, but it is still the wrath of God whether you make room for it or not. 

[ENOCH2010]

39 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

What I described is the wrath of God along with the bowls.  It may not call the trumpets the wrath of God in so many words, but it is still the wrath of God whether you make room for it or not. 

What you described is what the Bible says is the great tribulation, only the bowls are filled with the wrath of God. That is the opinion of the Bible.

[ZacharyB]

17 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

No the Bible says the bowls are God's wrath.

Yes, I didn't voice it correctly ...

God's wrath IS poured out over a period of time,

but there IS a last and final day of God's wrath.

[WilliamL]

13 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

At least you acknowledge the wrong in your doctrine stating that the seals are included in the wrath of God, now when you admit the trumpets (even though they are going to be a terrible time) are not included in the wrath of God also, you will be stating the true word of God.

12 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

What I described is the wrath of God along with the bowls.  It may not call the trumpets the wrath of God in so many words, but it is still the wrath of God whether you make room for it or not. 

 

6 hours ago, inchrist said:

11 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said:

What you described is what the Bible says is the great tribulation, only the bowls are filled with the wrath of God. That is the opinion of the Bible.

I have to agree with you on this.

Rev. 6:17 For the great day of His wrath came/is come, and who is able to stand?

This is said after the 6th Seal takes place, before the 1st Trumpet is blown. The trumpets and bowls constitute the period of God's wrath. That wrath technically begins after the 6th Seal, although it seems to be held in abeyance until the 144,000 are sealed, and the great silence in heaven takes place at the 7th Seal. Then fire from the heavenly censer is thrown to the earth (8:5), and the 7 angels with the trumpets are sent forth from heaven, clearly to effect God's wrath upon the earth.

 

[ENOCH2010]

If the angles have a trumpet in one hand and a bowl of wrath in the other, I can see how the trumpets could be seen as containing Gods wrath.