Water was not created

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On 6/27/2022 at 8:58 AM, enoob57 said:

I've seen this stated by you in another place... chapter and verse please?

https://www.gotquestions.org/when-angels-created.html

There are bibles online if you don't have one.

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10 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Hmmm... Like you & I both stated many tines before..... How do we,of a finite mind even begin to try to apply our logic and reasoning to the Infinite,Eternal things of Almighty God

Its doesn't even fit in to say" before" Gen 1:1 because in an Eternal realm there is no before or after( doesn't fit in either because God is not  bound by space or time,).... He Created Time & Space for us to live in as we are

Oh my, every time I say something it opens up more holes!!!!!

Gods Handiwork is mind boggling.... I feel very small the more I think about it all

With love in Christ, Kwik

You may find this troubling, but God created the Heavenly Host before Genesis 1:1, that is, before time and space were created by Him.  See: When Angels Were Created . 

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1 hour ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

You may find this troubling, but God created the Heavenly Host before Genesis 1:1, that is, before time and space were created by Him.  See: When Angels Were Created . 

Oh dear Friend,Brother- Nothing we ever discuss could I find troubling....

I promise I will read it tomorrow,right now I need some sleep, its been a busy day

I honestly don't care " when" God Created anything ,everything- its so very unimportant to me.I only care that He Did and He Did it all with us in Mind

With love in Christ, Kwik

Edited June 29, 2022 by kwikphilly

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2 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

https://www.gotquestions.org/when-angels-created.html

There are bibles online if you don't have one.

Unfortunately they use Job and it does not say they were present when God spoke things into existence but to specific they were present when the stars were formed… that was day four… so we know that Gen 1:1 ‘In The Beginning’ only allows us to frame all that began stems from that point. We know the angels are created beings and being such have beginning thus they would be included ‘In the beginning’ statement where all that is created began from that point- The whole of the creation even shows God making a place then creating that which would dwell in that place… As Gen 1:1 states

Genesis 1:1 (KJV) [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
 
To allow the Word to speak from it’s own authority the first created was heaven and earth on day one and seeing how heaven is the place where angels dwell then form day 1 to day four allows us to say angels were created in that time frame… if one says there was a creation before ‘ In the beginning God created‘ is imagination and is not supported by Scripture…  unless you can show me a passage allowing me to believe what you are claiming!

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9 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Unfortunately they use Job and it does not say they were present when God spoke things into existence but to specific they were present when the stars were formed… that was day four… so we know that Gen 1:1 ‘In The Beginning’ only allows us to frame all that began stems from that point. We know the angels are created beings and being such have beginning thus they would be included ‘In the beginning’ statement where all that is created began from that point- The whole of the creation even shows God making a place then creating that which would dwell in that place… As Gen 1:1 states

Genesis 1:1 (KJV) [1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

(Genesis 1:2)  The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.  (ESV)

Nowhere in the Genesis account of creation does it refer to the beings God created before time began.  So we must go elsewhere: to Job, Psalms and elsewhere for answers.  From Got Questions: Foundation of the World .

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The Bible refers to the “foundation” of the world in various passages. To found something is to establish a thing or lay the groundwork or secure the underpinnings for it. The “foundation of the world” is a reference to God’s act of creation. When Scripture refers to something that has been true “from the foundation of the world,” it means “for all of human history.” But when Scripture refers to something that happened “before the foundation of the world,” the event under discussion occurred before anything was ever created, in eternity past.

In Ephesians 1:4, we read of something that happened in eternity past: “[God] chose us in [Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him” (ESV). This is an amazing passage, with its emphasis on God’s choosing—before the world was even created—those who would become believers. Before God had created anything at all, at least three things were already true: God saw mankind as lost and in need of a Savior; the eternal Savior was present; and the details of the work of redemption were planned out. In all of this, God had our transformation to holiness in view (see also 2 Timothy 1:9).

In another passage that shows God’s eternal plan, Scripture says that Jesus Christ, “a lamb unblemished and spotless . . . was foreknown before the foundation of the world” (1 Peter 1:19–20, NASB). The apostle Paul speaks of “God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began” (1 Corinthians 2:7).

The eternal nature of God the Son and His eternal relationship with God the Father are evident in Jesus’ high priestly prayer: “Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world” (John 17:24, ESV). The Son of God is not a created being; He possessed glory with the Father, was loved by the Father, and dwelt with the Father before the universe was created (see also John 1:1–2).

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You obviously didn't read the link I provided.

[enoob57]

NoI I am sure of the Scripture …

[Desopixi Seilynam]

I (wisdom) was set up from everlasting, from the beginning,
before ever the earth was.

When there was no depths, I was brought forth,
when there were no fountains abounding with water.

Proverbs 8:23-24

The wise plan concerning Christ was first.

[Mitaze1075]

Wow the OQ was from a long time ago. But they were correct. The tanakh never stated that water was created. The intro sentence, “ the god created the heavens and earth and the earth. The earth was formless and void. It’s Tohu and bohu. John Walton and Tim Mackie have both broken this down really well. It comes down to cultural differences. Modern people when we think of nothingness we imagine someone in a all white or all black room type Hollywood set up. Ancient Jewish people viewed the world being formless and void was nothingness. 

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The Solar System and Beyond is Awash in Water

As NASA missions explore our solar system and search for new worlds, they are finding water in surprising places. Water is but one piece of our search for habitable planets and life beyond Earth, yet it links many seemingly unrelated worlds in surprising ways.

"NASA science activities have provided a wave of amazing findings related to water in recent years that inspire us to continue investigating our origins and the fascinating possibilities for other worlds, and life, in the universe," said Ellen Stofan, chief scientist for the agency. "In our lifetime, we may very well finally answer whether we are alone in the solar system and beyond."

The chemical elements in water, hydrogen and oxygen, are some of the most abundant elements in the universe. Astronomers see the signature of water in giant molecular clouds between the stars, in disks of material that represent newborn planetary systems, and in the atmospheres of giant planets orbiting other stars.

There are several worlds thought to possess liquid water beneath their surfaces, and many more that have water in the form of ice or vapor. Water is found in primitive bodies like comets and asteroids, and dwarf planets like Ceres. The atmospheres and interiors of the four giant planets -- Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune -- are thought to contain enormous quantities of the wet stuff, and their moons and rings have substantial water ice.

Perhaps the most surprising water worlds are the five icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn that show strong evidence of oceans beneath their surfaces: Ganymede, Europa and Callisto at Jupiter, and Enceladus and Titan at Saturn.

Scientists using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope recently provided powerful evidence that Ganymede has a saltwater, sub-surface ocean, likely sandwiched between two layers of ice.

Europa and Enceladus are thought to have an ocean of liquid water beneath their surface in contact with mineral-rich rock, and may have the three ingredients needed for life as we know it: liquid water, essential chemical elements for biological processes, and sources of energy that could be used by living things. NASA's Cassini mission has revealed Enceladus as an active world of icy geysers. Recent research suggests it may have hydrothermal activity on its ocean floor, an environment potentially suitable for living organisms.

NASA spacecraft have also found signs of water in permanently shadowed craters on Mercury and our moon, which hold a record of icy impacts across the ages like cryogenic keepsakes.

While our solar system may seem drenched in some places, others seem to have lost large amounts of water.

On Mars, NASA spacecraft have found clear evidence that the Red Planet had water on its surface for long periods in the distant past. NASA's Curiosity Mars Rover discovered an ancient streambed that existed amidst conditions favorable for life as we know it.

More recently, NASA scientists using ground-based telescopes were able to estimate the amount of water Mars has lost over the eons. They concluded the planet once had enough liquid water to form an ocean occupying almost half of Mars' northern hemisphere, in some regions reaching depths greater than a mile (1.6 kilometers). But where did the water go?

It's clear some of it is in the Martian polar ice caps and below the surface. We also think much of Mars' early atmosphere was stripped away by the wind of charged particles that streams from the sun, causing the planet to dry out. NASA's MAVEN mission is hard at work following this lead from its orbit around Mars.

The story of how Mars dried out is intimately connected to how the Red Planet's atmosphere interacts with the solar wind. Data from the agency's solar missions -- including STEREO, Solar Dynamics Observatory and the planned Solar Probe Plus -- are vital to helping us better understand what happened.

Understanding the distribution of water in our solar system tells us a great deal about how the planets, moons, comets and other bodies formed 4.5 billion years ago from the disk of gas and dust that surrounded our sun. The space closer to the sun was hotter and drier than the space farther from the sun, which was cold enough for water to condense. The dividing line, called the "frost line," sat around Jupiter's present-day orbit. Even today, this is the approximate distance from the sun at which the ice on most comets begins to melt and become "active." Their brilliant spray releases water ice, vapor, dust and other chemicals, which are thought to form the bedrock of most worlds of the frigid outer solar system.

Scientists think it was too hot in the solar system's early days for water to condense into liquid or ice on the inner planets, so it had to be delivered -- possibly by comets and water-bearing asteroids. NASA's Dawn mission is currently studying Ceres, which is the largest body in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Researchers think Ceres might have a water-rich composition similar to some of the bodies that brought water to the three rocky, inner planets, including Earth.

The amount of water in the giant planet Jupiter holds a critical missing piece to the puzzle of our solar system's formation. Jupiter was likely the first planet to form, and it contains most of the material that wasn't incorporated into the sun. The leading theories about its formation rest on the amount of water the planet soaked up. To help solve this mystery, NASA's Juno mission will measure this important quantity beginning in mid-2016.

Looking further afield, observing other planetary systems as they form is like getting a glimpse of our own solar system's baby pictures, and water is a big part of that story. For example, NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has observed signs of a hail of water-rich comets raining down on a young solar system, much like the bombardment planets in our solar system endured in their youth.

With the study of exoplanets -- planets that orbit other stars -- we are closer than ever to finding out if other water-rich worlds like ours exist. In fact, our basic concept of what makes planets suitable for life is closely tied to water: Every star has a habitable zone, or a range of distances around it in which temperatures are neither too hot nor too cold for liquid water to exist. NASA's planet-hunting Kepler mission was designed with this in mind. Kepler looks for planets in the habitable zone around many types of stars.

Recently verifying its thousandth exoplanet, Kepler data confirm that the most common planet sizes are worlds just slightly larger than Earth. Astronomers think many of those worlds could be entirely covered by deep oceans. Kepler's successor, K2, continues to watch for dips in starlight to uncover new worlds.

The agency's upcoming TESS mission will search nearby, bright stars in the solar neighborhood for Earth- and super-Earth-sized exoplanets. Some of the planets TESS discovers may have water, and NASA's next great space observatory, the James Webb Space Telescope, will examine the atmospheres of those special worlds in great detail.

It's easy to forget that the story of Earth's water, from gentle rains to raging rivers, is intimately connected to the larger story of our solar system and beyond. But our water came from somewhere -- every world in our solar system got its water from the same shared source. So it's worth considering that the next glass of water you drink could easily have been part of a comet, or an ocean moon, or a long-vanished sea on the surface of Mars. And note that the night sky may be full of exoplanets formed by similar processes to our home world, where gentle waves wash against the shores of alien seas.

 

See NASA: https://www.nasa.gov/jpl/the-solar-system-and-beyond-is-awash-in-water