Your Authentic Self...

[RustyAngeL]

8 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Now I am to reckon the 1st born Steven dead yet the war seems real enough within... when death occurs for him
Life will be his absence and the flow blown reality of Jesus before the second Steven in a dumbfounded awe....  

I love you brother but what did you just say?

[Ezra]

On 6/8/2016 at 5:46 AM, Kan said:

Do you have a more authentic self, what is that person, and who would know that? 

Only God knows the real *you*.

Christians should remind themselves continually that:

1. God created Man in His own image and likeness, which means that all of us should resemble God in our true selves -- if we do what God has commanded.

2. God intends for His children to be recreated -- regenerated and renewed -- into the image and likeness of Christ, who is the express image of God.  We must therefore resemble Christ in eternity.

3. God has given us His Holy Spirit in order to transform us while on earth, and Christ will ultimately perfect us at His coming for His saints. "We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is".

4. Our spirits are our authentic selves, and when our spirits, souls, and bodies have been perfected, that is when our true authentic selves will appear.

5. Since the old Adamic nature has not been eradicated, we do not consistently act and think according to who we really are -- according to our spirits.  The flesh (self) frequently takes over.

6. That is why we are told to walk in the Spirit, which means to walk in love -- love of God and love of others, including our enemies.  And it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure". We can only love others with the love of God,  and by His power.

[Willa]

1 hour ago, Kan said:

These are all things which happened to you, and can happen to others, a new life in Christ. But who is "I" ? 

Do you have a specific identity or are you just what we see in this world? Or is it both?

This "new creature in Christ" where did it start and where does it end, and what part of this life has anything to do with it?

Are you serious?  I am Willa;  It is part of what happened to me starting when I was about 12 and entering the 7th grade when God showed me that He is real, aware of me, and heard my prayers.  When I entered the 8th grade God showed me sins and I asked Him to forgive me.  I bought my own new testament after the 8th grade and read it all, but had difficulty loving others.  Entering the 10th grade I was baptized. So what I stated is how I felt and it was the struggles I had.   I did not fully surrender to God until 1970.  Some of us are slow learners; I had to unlearn misunderstandings and false teachings which kept drawing me back under.  I did not understand till 1970 that I can't love as I should in my own power.  I have to rely on the Spirit of Christ to do it through me.  And I had to be humbled and desperate for all this to happen.  

Some people have immediate transformation of their lives.  Some people take months and some like me take years.  We can only be changed to the extent that we submit our lives to God and His Word.  It helps to have a small group or a person to teach us and pray for us.   But a new changed life in Christ is offered to anyone who wants to be forgiven and is sick of their lives, who is willing to turn to God for forgiveness, and to learn about all that Jesus has done for us and how much God loves us.  But while God is changing me to let His Spirit be seen in me, I won't ever be perfect in this life.  When I go to heaven Jesus will make me perfect.

Kan, I am nothing but my authentic self, and I tend to be a very transparent great grandmother even though I use my grandmother's name here.

[Willa]

26 minutes ago, RustyAngeL said:

I love you brother but what did you just say?

Rusty, you have to think like a poet to understand Stephen when he is serious.  His flip side is found on the new animal thread or the derailing thread.  I always did maintain that he has a duel personality.  Both are the real enoob, and I enjoy both equally.  It sort of makes you want to pat him on his coon skin hat.

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Kan said:

So a child was born called bopeep, what did it have that still exists today, we are talking about character...

or is nothing left of who you were born?

A totally different person today?

So you believe your behaviours and thinking have changed dramatically, no doubt they have, but doesn't that happen with maturity, even with unbelievers?

A child is born in sin. We have to be born again to be saved. Yes, I am a totally different person than  when I was very young. And I will have a resurrected body when I go to my eternal home. No,an unbeliever may mature but if they do not ask Jesus Christ into their life they are just an unsaved sinner. They will do as they please when they please. They will demand total control of their life.

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

Now I am to reckon the 1st born Steven dead yet the war seems real enough within... when death occurs for him
Life will be his absence and the flow blown reality of Jesus before the second Steven in a dumbfounded awe....  

Now I am to reckon the 1st born Steven dead-
Ro 6:11
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
KJV
Ro 6:2-4
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
KJV

yet the war seems real enough within... -
Ro 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV
 

when death occurs for him (steven the first born one)
Life (the second born Steven) will be his (the first born steven) absence and the flow blown reality of Jesus before the second Steven in a dumbfounded awe....  
2 Co 5:8
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
KJV
1 Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
KJV

Me too you Sis, Steven

 

1 hour ago, RustyAngeL said:

I love you brother but what did you just say?

 

[Kan]

2 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Now I am to reckon the 1st born Steven dead yet the war seems real enough within... when death occurs for him
Life will be his absence and the flow blown reality of Jesus before the second Steven in a dumbfounded awe....  

Yes, the apostle says we are to consider ourselves dead to sin. And the struggle comes from growing into the image of Christ in character, the Holy Spirit will not allow us to rest on our haunches, when there are things to conquer. 

What about the humanity that makes you who you are, does that disappear or is that preserved by the same Spirit?

What do I mean by that? Do you still tie your shoe laces up the same way as you are changed without knowing it? Or is the old self destroyed into a new identity?

[Kan]

2 hours ago, Ezra said:

Only God knows the real *you*.

Christians should remind themselves continually that:

1. God created Man in His own image and likeness, which means that all of us should resemble God in our true selves -- if we do what God has commanded.

2. God intends for His children to be recreated -- regenerated and renewed -- into the image and likeness of Christ, who is the express image of God.  We must therefore resemble Christ in eternity.

3. God has given us His Holy Spirit in order to transform us while on earth, and Christ will ultimately perfect us at His coming for His saints. "We shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is".

4. Our spirits are our authentic selves, and when our spirits, souls, and bodies have been perfected, that is when our true authentic selves will appear.

5. Since the old Adamic nature has not been eradicated, we do not consistently act and think according to who we really are -- according to our spirits.  The flesh (self) frequently takes over.

6. That is why we are told to walk in the Spirit, which means to walk in love -- love of God and love of others, including our enemies.  And it is God which worketh in you, both to will and to do of His good pleasure". We can only love others with the love of God,  and by His power.

Here we go, the answers are getting more specific. 

Where does the infant with its own certain temperament end up in this calling of God?

 

[enoob57]

2 minutes ago, Kan said:

Yes, the apostle says we are to consider ourselves dead to sin. And the struggle comes from growing into the image of Christ in character, the Holy Spirit will not allow us to rest on our haunches, when there are things to conquer. 

What about the humanity that makes you who you are, does that disappear or is that preserved by the same Spirit?

What do I mean by that? Do you still tie your shoe laces up the same way as you are changed without knowing it? Or is the old self destroyed into a new identity?

1 Jn 3:2

2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
KJV
The hermeneutic is straight forward... the last thing I would wish to worry about is me and what is to remain! When it is Christ Jesus that I am to gain in likeness  

[Kan]

1 hour ago, Willa said:

Are you serious?  I am Willa;  It is part of what happened to me starting when I was about 12 and entering the 7th grade when God showed me that He is real, aware of me, and heard my prayers.  When I entered the 8th grade God showed me sins and I asked Him to forgive me.  I bought my own new testament after the 8th grade and read it all, but had difficulty loving others.  Entering the 10th grade I was baptized. So what I stated is how I felt and it was the struggles I had.   I did not fully surrender to God until 1970.  Some of us are slow learners; I had to unlearn misunderstandings and false teachings which kept drawing me back under.  I did not understand till 1970 that I can't love as I should in my own power.  I have to rely on the Spirit of Christ to do it through me.  And I had to be humbled and desperate for all this to happen.  

Some people have immediate transformation of their lives.  Some people take months and some like me take years.  We can only be changed to the extent that we submit our lives to God and His Word.  It helps to have a small group or a person to teach us and pray for us.   But a new changed life in Christ is offered to anyone who wants to be forgiven and is sick of their lives, who is willing to turn to God for forgiveness, and to learn about all that Jesus has done for us and how much God loves us.  But while God is changing me to let His Spirit be seen in me, I won't ever be perfect in this life.  When I go to heaven Jesus will make me perfect.

Kan, I am nothing but my authentic self, and I tend to be a very transparent great grandmother even though I use my grandmother's name here.

I don't doubt you are authentic.

What would be the difference in a Willa without the knowledge of Jesus, would she bake her scones differently? No, probably not, so there is a Willa which we know by the way she makes her scones. Is that the Willa God intended, or is that to be altered in this new life of Christianity?