Hilter's "Mein Kampf"

[ayin jade]

Trib views are way off topic lol. 

[OakWood]

18 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

No,only the unbelievers will enter the seven year tribulation. Many of them will become believers. They will not be protected. They will suffer from not taking the mark but they will also perish just like the unbelievers due to the horrible devastation of the seals,trumpets and bowl judgments. You may be post trib. You may believe the the believers will not go out in the rapture before the seven year tribulation. But no one will be protected during the tribulation.I think that some post trib people believe that some believers will be sealed and will not suffer. That is not true.  There will only be a very few who will survive the seven year tribulation. Those who are believers will enter into the 1000 year millennium. Those who are not believers will not.

I intended to say that MAYBE we will be protected, because I don't know..... maybe we won't be. But what exactly do you mean by protected anyway? Does protection mean complete protection or does it mean just protected from the horrible worst? Believers will suffer to a greater or lesser extent, but God won't allow it to be more than believers can bear.

It's like saying that people suffered during World War 2. Everybody did to some extent but some more than others. Some people hardly suffered at all because their warmth of character and their sense of humour got them through it. But everybody suffered to some extent because they all knew somebody that died - they lost loved ones, they lost property, they lost some freedom - but nobody was completely free from it.

I realise that the Trib will be much worse than this, but not everybody will suffer to the same extent. The more you speak out for God, the more you will be a target for persecution. Only the bravest will do this and they risk being beheaded for doing so. Some may keep their heads down, but they will still feel the effects of the anti-Christ's rule in some way or another.

There is nothing in scripture to say that only non-believers will enter the Great Trib, nothing at all. God has always tested his people. Why do modern Christians think that they are exempt from this? We are not special and we are not even fit to tread in the footsteps of Christian martyrs who came before us. We have had it relatively easy compared to them. So why do we believe that we are a special case?

The apostle Peter suffered and died for his cause, John the Baptist was beheaded, thousands of Christians since then have been killed or suffered because of their faith, so why do we have the audacity to think that we are special, with our fancy houses, and our convenient electricity and our comfortable beds? Why do we deserve any more than worthier people who came before us to be dragged to safety when others were not?

 

[missmuffet]

15 minutes ago, OakWood said:

I intended to say that MAYBE we will be protected, because I don't know..... maybe we won't be. But what exactly do you mean by protected anyway? Does protection mean complete protection or does it mean just protected from the horrible worst? Believers will suffer to a greater or lesser extent, but God won't allow it to be more than believers can bear.

It's like saying that people suffered during World War 2. Everybody did to some extent but some more than others. Some people hardly suffered at all because their warmth of character and their sense of humour got them through it. But everybody suffered to some extent because they all knew somebody that died - they lost loved ones, they lost property, they lost some freedom - but nobody was completely free from it.

I realise that the Trib will be much worse than this, but not everybody will suffer to the same extent. The more you speak out for God, the more you will be a target for persecution. Only the bravest will do this and they risk being beheaded for doing so. Some may keep their heads down, but they will still feel the effects of the anti-Christ's rule in some way or another.

There is nothing in scripture to say that only non-believers will enter the Great Trib, nothing at all. God has always tested his people. Why do modern Christians think that they are exempt from this? We are not special and we are not even fit to tread in the footsteps of Christian martyrs who came before us. We have had it relatively easy compared to them. So why do we believe that we are a special case?

The apostle Peter suffered and died for his cause, John the Baptist was beheaded, thousands of Christians since then have been killed or suffered because of their faith, so why do we have the audacity to think that we are special, with our fancy houses, and our convenient electricity and our comfortable beds? Why do we deserve any more than worthier people who came before us to be dragged to safety when others were not?

 

One weakness of posttribulationism is the clear teaching of Scripture that those who are in Christ are not under condemnation and will never experience the wrath of God (Romans 8:1). While some judgments during the Tribulation specifically target the unsaved, many other judgments, such as the earthquakes, falling stars, and famines, will affect the saved and unsaved equally. Thus, if believers go through the Tribulation, they will experience the wrath of God, in contradiction of Romans 8:1.

http://www.gotquestions.org/posttribulationism.html

WW2 was different. Those in the U.S. and other neutral countries really did very little suffering. The whole world will suffer terribly during the seven year tribulation. It will be horrible.

also:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html

You can take these scripture and do what you want with them but it tells you that the believers will not enter the seven year tribulation. Only the unbelievers.

I guess time will tell. The rapture of the Church is imminent. It could happen at any time.

[other one]

the tribulation is not the wrath of God, but the wrath of Satan......   none of us will experience the wrath of God....    not many of us will live that long.

[OakWood]

2 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

One weakness of posttribulationism is the clear teaching of Scripture that those who are in Christ are not under condemnation and will never experience the wrath of God (Romans 8:1). While some judgments during the Tribulation specifically target the unsaved, many other judgments, such as the earthquakes, falling stars, and famines, will affect the saved and unsaved equally. Thus, if believers go through the Tribulation, they will experience the wrath of God, in contradiction of Romans 8:1.

http://www.gotquestions.org/posttribulationism.html

WW2 was different. Those in the U.S. and other neutral countries really did very little suffering. The whole world will suffer terribly during the seven year tribulation. It will be horrible.

also:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob's trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

http://www.gotquestions.org/tribulation.html

You can take these scripture and do what you want with them but it tells you that the believers will not enter the seven year tribulation. Only the unbelievers.

I guess time will tell. The rapture of the Church is imminent. It could happen at any time.

Scripture DOES NOT tell us that believers will not enter the seven year Tribulation. 1st thessalonians 5:9 tells us that we will not enter the wrath. That is correct. We will not enter the wrath of God. because God will not punish believers, but the Tribulation is not wrath it is persecution by the antiChrist.

[Guest shiloh357]

14 hours ago, bopeep1909 said:

I agree with SIC I think stuff like Mein Kampf will become more popular. Our world is in the end times. I can compare what the unbelievers will go through in the seven year tribulation to the WW2 Holocaust except a whole lot worse.

That is not entirely true.  Most of Revelation is pretty much concerned with the final 42 months of God's wrath against the anti-Christ and his world system.

[missmuffet]

12 hours ago, other one said:

the tribulation is not the wrath of God, but the wrath of Satan......   none of us will experience the wrath of God....    not many of us will live that long.

No the seven year tribulation is the wrath of God upon this earth. Not the wrath of Satan.Perhaps you are Prewrath. That is what they believe.

[OakWood]

26 minutes ago, bopeep1909 said:

No the seven year tribulation is the wrath of God upon this earth. Not the wrath of Satan.Perhaps you are Prewrath. That is what they believe.

If it's the wrath of God then why is God punishing the righteous? We won't be able to buy or sell and some of us may even be beheaded for refusing to take the mark. Meanwhile the unrighteous are partying and having a ball.

Since when has God been in the business of persecuting Christians and rewarding the non-believer. To believe that the Tribulation is the wrath of God is to believe that God is the bad guy and the antiChrist is the good guy. In the Tribulation the antiChrist will be punishing those who refuse to worship him, so how exactly is the Tribulation the wrath of God?

The wrath of God comes towards the end of the Tribulation when God pours out his vengeance on the wicked and finally defeats the antiChrist and destroys the reign of the Beast.

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, OakWood said:

If it's the wrath of God then why is God punishing the righteous? We won't be able to buy or sell and some of us may even be beheaded for refusing to take the mark. Meanwhile the unrighteous are partying and having a ball.

Since when has God been in the business of persecuting Christians and rewarding the non-believer. To believe that the Tribulation is the wrath of God is to believe that God is the bad guy and the antiChrist is the good guy. In the Tribulation the antiChrist will be punishing those who refuse to worship him, so how exactly is the Tribulation the wrath of God?

The wrath of God comes towards the end of the Tribulation when God pours out his vengeance on the wicked and finally defeats the antiChrist and destroys the reign of the Beast.

Like I said this looks like a Prewrath belief.God punishing the righteous? Only the nonbelivers go into the seven year tribulation. That was their choice. The righteous and the believers are in heaven.

[tigger398]

Ok I'm kinda lost on this. can someone explain what does a book on hitler have to do with anything. Or are people reading it cause there trying to figure out how to follow or be like hitler.