A Time, Times, and Half a Time

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, A_Hobo said:

 

JOSHUA 7:20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LORD God of Israel, and thus and thus have I done:

JOSHUA 7:21  When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they [are] hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.

200,000,000 ... 5 Months ... Abaddon called Apollyon, called Achan, called Anathema Maranatha (1 Corinthians 16:22, which is to say Jesus Christ), called  Antipatris (Acts 23:31), called Antipas the Martyr (Antichrist/Rev. 2:13) .................... 5 Months/50 Shekels or "HALF" ........................ Jesus and 10,000 Saints (Deu. 33:2) ... Babylon and 200,000,000 ...................... Jesus cast 2000 into the Sea, Jesus is the Head of Joseph (Joseph/Babylon was his Father), so BABYLON can only be another description of the Gospel's Program:

How Does "Time, Times, Half a Time" described Jesus Christ as Babylon, Good Question?

Short Answer, Matthew 1:17, reports Three Divisions with BABYLON as the THIRD, just like God gave Three Sets of 10 Commandments two copies to Moses and one Copy to Joshua.  When God talks about BABYLON then God is also talking about the THIRD KINGDOM, or Revelations (Old Testament, New Testament, Revelation/Babylon).  The payment for sin = Babylon/Joseph (Joseph is finally accounted with the Tribes in Revelation, with a unified figure, just as Jesus said "Twelve Legions of Angels" will bring the End Time, Jesus will bring his Body the Temple Stones or the Sign of Divorce to announce the Events of Revelation).

70 = Time ... 70x7 = Times ... 42 = Half a Time

(1290 = Time ... 1260 (42 Months) Times ... 42 = Half a Time)

70 Weeks / 2 = 35 + 7 = 42 Months.  "HALF IS CALLED BABYLON THE SIGN OF DIVORCE" ... ... ... ... you rather we, have no legal right to a Sign of Divorce until the 42 Months of (Gentiles) Revelation.   God gives Three Measurements of the Covenant:

70 Generations of Luke 3

70x7 Generations of Matthew 1:17

42 Generations of Matthew 1

 

144,000 Reuben

144,000 Benjamin

144,000 Joseph/Babylon

1 Chronicles 5:1/Job 42:13-17 ... God calls his Gospel by Three Divisions of 144,000 ... echoed in Revelation.  No More, No Less.  God gives is parallel measurements for the 144,000 Salvation Programs.........................First Set = 2300, 1290, 1335 ... Second Set = 2000, 1260, 153 ... Third Set = 200,000,000 ... 42 Months ... 5 Months

The Book of Daneil reveals the Dimension of the Ark which is the First Covenant of God to Bless Satan for the Judgment ................. The New Testament Reveals the Second Covenant of God to Bless Satan with Chastisement (Jesus cast 2000 into the sea, Peter 153 Fish, and John reveals 1260 is the same as 42 Months, these were corrections) ...................... THIRD COVENANT, God completes the Judgment of Satan, by uniting HEAVEN AND EARTH for 42 Months, then by calling forth a Remanent for 5 Months Exodus.

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There are Two Ways to View the 70 Weeks of Daniel 9, as we have stated is one way.  Also the Old Way, 62 Weeks = 430 years in Egypt for the Hebrews, 7 Weeks = 49 for Sabbatical Sabbaths of Zacharias ending when God told Zacharias to be silent instead of sounding the Trumpet at the Jubilee of that Day for the Birth of Jesus, and Finally the Crucifixion of Jesus for the final Week of Daniel since Jesus is the Sacrifice and Oblation for Sin.

TIME, TIMES AND HALF A TIME = Conclusion of Jesus appointing the 144,000 of Joseph which began with Moses in Egypt (Rod of Joseph or Staff of Moses, Jannes and Jambres (Two Witnesses of Revelation, same as Moses)

TIME, TIMES AND HALF A TIME = Division of God's measurements denoting the Events of Revelation which begins at the 42 Month Mark

Love and Blessings (Some of the Figures are not literal, there is simply no coherent association, for example, 62 Weeks of Daniel is not denoting the  434 years, but only 430 Years as the Gospel states with the Hebrews in Egypt, 62 weeks is also not the same as 42 Months, so there is no coherent association in some circumstances .... nonetheless if God allows the antichrist to dictate if you have a sign or a vision or if God allows you to cause the Antichrist suffer and death as revelations states until the gospel's program is concluded, then you will simply suffer and die and that is all, we can only see what becomes necessary as you lose your inhibitions to keep hurting the Antichrist (nightly walk tonight after dark).

Shalom, A_Hobo.

What is all this? Some sort of wacko "free association" experiment gone mad?! This is JUST the type of confusion that the Evil One would relish!

Let's see if we can unpack some of this nonsense:

First of all, let's attack the fringes: The name "Apollyon" and "Abaddon" are the Greek and Hebrew names of the king of the locusts in Revelation 9:1-12:

Revelation 9:1-12
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him (it) was given the key (coordinates) of the bottomless pit (Greek: abussos = no-bottom; i.e., an unsounded-bottom).
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. (These were NOT "demons," as some have suggested; they were ANIMALS - HUGE INSECTS! They WERE locusts [six-legged arthropods with rear, leaping legs and wings] with poison LIKE scorpions of the ground have!)
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment (torture) was as the torment (torture) of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. (People will be PARALYZED, unable to affect their own deaths or to ask others to help them commit suicide!)
7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns (stephanoi = laurel-wreaths = ANTENNAE!) like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.
8 And they had hair AS the hair of women, and their teeth (mandibles) were AS the teeth of lions.
9 And they had breastplates (thoraces), AS it were breastplates (thoraces) of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle (a low, droning noise).
10 And they had tails LIKE unto (those of) scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit (messenger from the pit with an unsounded bottom), whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon (meaning "Destruction"), but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon (also meaning "Destruction," NOT "Destroyer!").
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.
KJV

Thus, these names "Apolluon" ("Apollyon") and Abaddown ("Abaddon") simply refer to the king of this species, and like the queens of other species, like ants, bees, wasps and termites, when the king dies, so does the species! And, his names simply mean that he SHALL die!

These locusts don't come from "hell"; they come from a underground, hidden CAVERN that this star (meteorite) strikes and uncovers.

This species of locust is bigger than today's locusts, like the dragonflies of the antediluvian age were bigger than the dragonflies today are. Their piercing mandibles will be comparable to the teeth of lions for their size and strength!

So, "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" are NOT names of the devil or even of one of his demons!

That's just ONE of the many errors in your free association! It's time to get your head out of the clouds and get your feet back on good, solid ground!

[A_Hobo]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

First of all, let's attack the fringes: The name "Apollyon" and "Abaddon" are the Greek and Hebrew names of the king of the locusts in Revelation 9:1-12:

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So, "Abaddon" and "Apollyon" are NOT names of the devil or even of one of his demons!

1. Babylon the Great
2. Manchild
3. Abaddon and Apollyon
4. Two Witnesses
5. Antipas the Martyr

We are given a warning not to add to the book of Revelations, and appoint another Jesus Christ, therefore each of these UNKNOWN Personalities (Acts 17:23) are a description of Jesus.  We are also given a second warning not to take away from the book of Revelation, therefore we cannot undermine the authority of Jesus by teaching that he has not appointed one of the prophets to come in his name for the Events of Revelation............................Jesus clearly identified Moses as the representative for Divorce in the New Testament, if that is the case, then Jesus has already appointed a representative of Joseph to Confirm the Covenant before the nations,  if that is true.
 

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GALATIANS 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

GALATIANS 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

GALATIANS 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

 

Best Answer? Abaddon and Apollyon is a description of the Sign of Divorce, or the Lord's Body/Temple Stones, and it is a description of the Antichrist.  The Antichrist is not a "God", he is simply the last Son of Man God uses to represent his Gospel's Program, at the very end, that is all, nothing special.  (Jesus is not a scapegoat for sin, he does not pay for all sins, neither is any angel above or below a scapegoat for sin ... this is obviously an implied problem that isn't resolved until we actually see the devil and satan fall from heaven and see their sin revealed alongside the Sign of Divorce).

"Half Time" as a Description of Joseph/Babylon

EZEKIEL 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ephraim the Hebrews (1 Kings 11:13), received Jesus the Son of Joseph, then God delivered Jesus from the Hebrews, and into the Heart of Judah where we will see the "Sign of Divorce/Temple Stones" revealed according to Revelations (Rev. 5:5/Lam 2:18) ....................... The USA has the largest Jewish Population, because the Holocaust has convicted all the other nations on earth.  God calls "Joseph" the unifier between HEAVEN AND EARTH, so it is called the "HALF TIME", if Half of Time is Heaven then the other is Earth.  This unification only happens in Revelation when God accounts the Tribe of Joseph with the rest of the tribes, only in the Events of Revelation, not before. Love and Blessings.

Edited November 4, 2016 by A_Hobo

[Retrobyter]

20 hours ago, A_Hobo said:

1. Babylon the Great
2. Manchild
3. Abaddon and Apollyon
4. Two Witnesses
5. Antipas the Martyr

We are given a warning not to add to the book of Revelations, and appoint another Jesus Christ, therefore each of these UNKNOWN Personalities (Acts 17:23) are a description of Jesus.  We are also given a second warning not to take away from the book of Revelation, therefore we cannot undermine the authority of Jesus by teaching that he has not appointed one of the prophets to come in his name for the Events of Revelation............................Jesus clearly identified Moses as the representative for Divorce in the New Testament, if that is the case, then Jesus has already appointed a representative of Joseph to Confirm the Covenant before the nations,  if that is true.
 

Best Answer? Abaddon and Apollyon is a description of the Sign of Divorce, or the Lord's Body/Temple Stones, and it is a description of the Antichrist.  The Antichrist is not a "God", he is simply the last Son of Man God uses to represent his Gospel's Program, at the very end, that is all, nothing special.  (Jesus is not a scapegoat for sin, he does not pay for all sins, neither is any angel above or below a scapegoat for sin ... this is obviously an implied problem that isn't resolved until we actually see the devil and satan fall from heaven and see their sin revealed alongside the Sign of Divorce).

"Half Time" as a Description of Joseph/Babylon

EZEKIEL 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

Ephraim the Hebrews (1 Kings 11:13), received Jesus the Son of Joseph, then God delivered Jesus from the Hebrews, and into the Heart of Judah where we will see the "Sign of Divorce/Temple Stones" revealed according to Revelations (Rev. 5:5/Lam 2:18) ....................... The USA has the largest Jewish Population, because the Holocaust has convicted all the other nations on earth.  God calls "Joseph" the unifier between HEAVEN AND EARTH, so it is called the "HALF TIME", if Half of Time is Heaven then the other is Earth.  This unification only happens in Revelation when God accounts the Tribe of Joseph with the rest of the tribes, only in the Events of Revelation, not before. Love and Blessings.

Shabbat shalom, A_Hobo.

Are you SERIOUS?! Have you even considered that taking such a reckless, allegorical position on the interpretation of the book of Revelation (singular) is EXACTLY "adding/subtracting from the words of this prophecy?!"

"Abaddon and Apollyon is a description of the Sign of Divorce, or the Lord's Body/Temple Stones, and it is a description of the Antichrist"?

If that's not allegorical thinking, then we need to change the definition of "allegorical!"

"God calls 'Joseph' the unifier between HEAVEN AND EARTH, so it is called the 'HALF TIME' if Half of Time is Heaven then the other is Earth"?

There's no reality to these statements AT ALL! It's not "spiritual" at all. It's just "allegorical"; trying to make something that you don't understand into some sort of allegory!

allegory |ˈaləˌɡôrē| noun (plural allegories) 

a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one: Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey.

• a symbol.

DERIVATIVES allegorist |ˈaləˌɡôrəst| noun

ORIGIN late Middle English: from Old French allegorie, via Latin from Greek allēgoria, from allos  ‘other’ + -agoria  ‘speaking.’

While some parts of Revelation MAY contain allegories, the whole book is NOT to be taken as one big allegory! When you do that, the book has lost touch with reality! A "comparison" does nothing, if you've nothing left with which to compare!

When you keep saying, "This means that," pretty soon, you have all "that" and no more of "this!" And, don't "daisy-chain" them together, either! "This means that, and that means the other." It's like an artificial-intelligence computer language I learned back in the early nineties called "LISP." We used to say the letters of the language's name stood for ...

Lost
In
Stupid
Parentheses!

Every function had at least one set of parentheses. If you embedded functions, you'd get parentheses inside of parentheses ad infinitum (or ad nauseum)! Pretty soon, you were truly lost in those stupid parentheses! You had to really pay attention to whether it was an opening parenthesis or a closing parenthesis! Were you starting another function? OR, were you closing a function already started? And, which level of function were you closing? Was it an inner function? OR, were you closing an outer function by mistake? You had to match closing parentheses with the opening parentheses and make sure that your program was doing what you expected it to do! All of your opening parentheses had to have a matching closing parenthesis! You couldn't have any extra opening parentheses or extra closing parentheses!

Nesting allegories is like that! Not only is it hard to keep track of all the this-is-that's, but the sky's the limit on what "truth" you're trying to support! Where does it stop? What was the fundamental fact from which you started? Sure, GOD could figure it all out, but did He really intend for US to think that way? Did He really mean for everything He had written in the Bible, particularly in Revelation, as a PUZZLE one had to figure out before he would know what was being said?

[A_Hobo]

9 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, A_Hobo.

Are you SERIOUS?! Have you even considered that taking such a reckless, allegorical position on the interpretation of the book of Revelation (singular) is EXACTLY "adding/subtracting from the words of this prophecy?!"

"Abaddon and Apollyon is a description of the Sign of Divorce, or the Lord's Body/Temple Stones, and it is a description of the Antichrist"?

If that's not allegorical thinking, then we need to change the definition of "allegorical!"

"God calls 'Joseph' the unifier between HEAVEN AND EARTH, so it is called the 'HALF TIME' if Half of Time is Heaven then the other is Earth"?

There's no reality to these statements AT ALL! It's not "spiritual" at all. It's just "allegorical"; trying to make something that you don't understand into some sort of allegory!

GENESIS 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
GENESIS 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
MATTHEW 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
MATTHEW 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
MATTHEW 18:23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

1. Time = 70 Generations of Luke
2. Times = 70x7 Generations of Matthew 1:17 (given as a parable)
3. Half a Time = 42 Generations of Matthew (Joseph is "Accounted" in Revelation, Matthew 18:23) (Adah and Zillah = Abaddon and Apollyon, the Third Division or Revelation)

(Genesis 33:1-3 ... Babylon/Joseph is 42 Months or "Half a Time") The Gospel is one Law, therefore the Conclusion of the Old Testment, New Testament and Revelation are the same.  The conclusion must therefore be stated at least three times in their own unified way. 

Jesus Does not Pay for the sin of all Races or Peoples, for those Races and People they will always remain in enmity with God until they pass away with no mercy and with no possibility of salvation, this must also be stated at least Three Times according to the Gospel's Law::BABYLON is the Payment for Sin God uses

1. God threw out a Raven from the Ark to indicate he limited his payment for sin
2. God allowed Jesus to wither a fig tree to indicate he limits his payment for sin
3. God gives an Angel a Reed in Revelation to Cast out the Wicked to indicate he limits his payment for sin

Love and Blessings (Spirit, Water, Blood so it follows we are given 5 Genetic Lines that have value with God for the satisfaction of the Gospel's Program, and 5 Genetic Lines that have no value with God (with Aaron the 5th the Genetic Line of Dispute, God identifies as the Italian Race in the New Testament ... the Genetic Line associations in the Gospel are clear cut for the Separatist Inheritors* the Gospel Affords), Deu. 34:1-3/1 Samuel 6:4) (Not until we reach the Events of Revelations, will this relationship become apparent, along with global euthanasia for the solicitation of God's Mercy with the Sign of Divorce, until such a time as Revelation 11 indicates, all of mankind is given suffering and death for the suffering and death that keeps being inflicted on the Antichrist, for that we must continue to see what is necessary)

Edited November 5, 2016 by A_Hobo

[tleichs]

I really would like to discuss this matter with ye. But thare is a great problem: ye dont anwer the questions! why can ye dont do that? I marked all my questions in red and you, Retrobyter, ansered some, forgot the others.... And now A_hobo, he asked you : Nesting allegories is like that! Not only is it hard to keep track of all the this-is-that's, but the sky's the limit on what "truth" you're trying to support! Where does it stop? What was the fundamental fact from which you started? Sure, GOD could figure it all out, but did He really intend for US to think that way? Did He really mean for everything He had written in the Bible, particularly in Revelation, as a PUZZLE one had to figure out before he would know what was being said?  And you only repeated a lot of thinks that you have already said, affirm a lot of thinks and explain nothing....
PS: the Generation of Luke is 77 and not 70

[Revelation Man]

On 7/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Ezra said:

Here we see that the Antichrist will be given “a time, and times, and the dividing of time” to have authority, to war against the saints of God, to change times and laws, and to blaspheme God.

Hello all, greetings in Christ Jesus, we are living in a truly special time.

I agree the time, times and a half a time is synonymous with 1260 days, 3 1/2 years and 42 months. I did an exegesis on every place in the bible where this time frame is mentioned a while back. There is one of the time frames that doesn't coincide with the others however, the Two-witnesses time frame is off-kilter a smidgen from the other 3 1/2 year time frames.

On 7/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Ezra said:

It is connected to the time of Jacob’s trouble, when Michael the archangel (with his angels) comes against Satan and his evil angels to cast them down and also protect Israel’s believing remnant.  All the prophecies given to Daniel would be “finished” or completed at that time.

You referenced Daniel 12:1....I totally agree, but back up one verse to Daniel 11:45 and we see the Anti-Christ is shown to make his abode/plant his palace in Holy Israel, then comes the chaos, this is basically the Abomination of desolation. You know there were no chapters and verses, so it fits/flows..........Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

I do not think all prophecies are fulfilled by the time the 3 1/2 year starts, but all are fulfilled by the time the 3 1/2 years are finished, is that what you meant ? Because the prophecy is about the evil he will do, and about the Saints taking over eventually, and Jesus destroying him WITHOUT HAND or by the Holy Spirit.

On 7/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Ezra said:

CONNECTED WITH THE DESECRATION OF JERUSALEM

 

Yes, this is when the 42 months start, as per the Time of Jacobs Trouble, the Two-Witnesses are not the EXACT same time frame.

On 7/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Ezra said:

We also see in Revelation 11 that this is the exact time during which the two prophets of God (which many believe to be Moses and Elijah) prophecy on earth during the reign of the Antichrist. Now we see this period of 3 ½ years expressed as 1,260 days.

 

I used to have this as the exact same time frame for the Two-witnesses, then after much study I realized it can not be, it almost overlaps, but not exactly. You see in Malachi 4:5-6 we see Elijah coming to turn Israel back to God before the Day of the Lord (Gods Wrath, Jacobs Trouble, Tribulation period) so they (2 Witnesses) have to show up in Jerusalem before the Abomination of Desolation happens. You see my belief is they turn Israel as a nation back to God (All Israel is Saved/Not all Jewish people, but Israel as a Nation turns to God) then Israel flees unto the Mountains after the Anti-Christ CUTS OFF THEIR WORSHIP OF JESUS IN THE TEMPLE of God and places an Image of the Beast on the Temple of God !! So the Two-Witnesses have to show up before the AoD. And as we see in Rev. chapter 11 the Two Witnesses die and ascend to Heaven before the Third Woe, which if you think about it, (which is why I changed my mind brother) that 1260 Day period can not overlap perfectly, CHECK IT OUT........

Rev. 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. 

CATCH THAT ? They ascend before the Third Woe, so their 1260 days is not the same as the 1260 Days of Jacobs Trouble. But we know the Third Woe, which is the Last Seven Vials of Gods Wrath must come in QUICK staccato like fashion, boom, boom, boom. However long the time is that the Two-witnesses show up before the Abomination of Desolation is the time left until Jesus comes back. In other words if the Two-Witnesses show up 60 days before the AoD and preach for 1260 Days, then when they ascend to heaven, there should be 60 days left before the Second Coming, if they show up three months before the AoD then there should be 90 days after they ascend, until the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. You see how and why God has both time periods the same ? Its a key to the timing, if we just decipher it. 

Another small Key...........Notice in Rev. 6 the Seals are the Wrath of the Lamb !! Then we know the Seven Vials are the Wrath of God the Father. Well whose Wrath is the Seven Trumpets ? I think this is the Wrath of the Holy Spirit, he DOES NOT LEAVE THE EARTH, He works through the Two-Witnesses who have the power to bring forth all manor of plagues and make the Heavens shut up where it RAINS NOT !! The Two-Witnesses bring forth the Seven Trumpets via the Prayers of the Saints, via the Holy Spirit. Amen, Glory to God. Check out Rev. 8, the Prayers of the Saints bring forth the Seven Trumpets.

Revelation 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense (Prayers of Saints), that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.

5 And the angel took the censer (Prayers of Saints), and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.{ It is the Prayers of the Saints that bring forth the Wrath of the Holy Spirit via the Trumpets Sounded by the Angels, so I assume this is the Wrath of the Holy Spirit/Saints. }

Rev. 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.......6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. 

The Two-Witnesses are the Saints that Pray down these Plagues etc. etc. So the Wrath of the Trumpets come from them, thus they die and ascend before the Wrath of God (Seven Vials).....Does anyone else see how these three fit ? Seals wrath of the Lamb, Trumpets the Wrath of the Holy Spirit via the Two-Witnesses/Saints, Vials the Wrath of God !! 

On 7/6/2016 at 11:50 PM, Ezra said:

What these Scriptures teach is that a time is coming when God will literally give this world into the hands of the Devil, the Beast, and the False Prophet (the unholy trinity) for exactly 3 ½ years, while the Holy Spirit is taken out of the way.  This also means that the Church will be absent, but there will be (1) a protected Jewish believing remnant on earth and (2) Gentile Tribulation saints who will be martyred for refusing to take the Mark of the Beast. This is the first half of Daniel's 70th week, not the last half as some imagine.

The Church is gone, but there will be Christians who become Christians after the Rapture. Where we part ways, this is the Second Half of the Tribulation, as I have laid it out in detail brother. 

As per the other posts below, some say the time will be shortened but God knew exactly what was going to happen, thus He set up a 7 Year period with FOREKNOWLEDGE........This is what is spoken of, God set a SHORT ENOUGH TIME PERIOD, so that all flesh would not be consumed. In other words Jesus second coming as the Seventh Vial is poured out, is the EXACT PERFECT TIMING, for God knows all things and set forth this specific time period, ON PURPOSE..........Thus the time was shortened by God to 7 YEARS long ago. It doesn't mean God has to shorten His original plans as many seem to think. THE SEVEN YEARS was the Shortened Period. It is why God did not set it up to be 10 Years !! It has nothing to do with God changing His 7 Year plan. God knows all and we think He has to CHANGE HIS PLANS to save men on earth from being consumed....NOPE.....God set forth the perfect time period to start with, thus it was a 7 Year Period. Then Jesus Returns to Destroy the Anti-Christ and Satan.

[Retrobyter]

On 11/6/2016 at 4:45 AM, tleichs said:

I really would like to discuss this matter with ye. But thare is a great problem: ye dont anwer the questions! why can ye dont do that? I marked all my questions in red and you, Retrobyter, ansered some, forgot the others.... And now A_hobo, he asked you : Nesting allegories is like that! Not only is it hard to keep track of all the this-is-that's, but the sky's the limit on what "truth" you're trying to support! Where does it stop? What was the fundamental fact from which you started? Sure, GOD could figure it all out, but did He really intend for US to think that way? Did He really mean for everything He had written in the Bible, particularly in Revelation, as a PUZZLE one had to figure out before he would know what was being said?  And you only repeated a lot of thinks that you have already said, affirm a lot of thinks and explain nothing....
PS: the Generation of Luke is 77 and not 70

Shalom, tleichs.

I'm sorry I missed what you were asking. Would you mind repeating what you asked? I'd like to answer your questions, but I'm no longer sure of what you were asking. I will READ what you write INTENTLY this time.

[tleichs]

LOL! You don't know me very well, do you?  Why do you think I know you??? I'm the one who doesn't believe in "Heaven!" where does God live? (Well, technically, that's not true because I DO believe in the New Jerusalem, and it's the description of the city that is usually used for a description of "Heaven.")

You asked, "What language (does) ... God ... speak?" Well, Paul said, Why would God speak with Paul in Chinese?

Acts 26:13-15
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Do you have any fonte that says Gods original language are Hebrew? Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord (Master, Sir)? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
KJV
And What is a language for you?

so my questions are  red

[Retrobyter]

On 11/20/2016 at 2:45 PM, tleichs said:

LOL! You don't know me very well, do you?  Why do you think I know you???

Shabbat shalom, tleichs.

I really think I answered these questions already, but for the record,...

I don't, really. I'm saying that if you READ any of my posts, you would find that ...

On 11/20/2016 at 2:45 PM, tleichs said:

I'm the one who doesn't believe in "Heaven!" where does God live?

God "lives" EVERYWHERE! He is "omnipresent." He is not restricted to some mythical place called "Heaven!" That's a mythological thought that comes from Greek and Roman mythology (and mythologies before them) that was propagated by the old Roman Catholic Church during the Dark Ages.

On 11/20/2016 at 2:45 PM, tleichs said:

(Well, technically, that's not true because I DO believe in the New Jerusalem, and it's the description of the city that is usually used for a description of "Heaven.")

You asked, "What language (does) ... God ... speak?" Well, Paul said, Why would God speak with Paul in Chinese?

Why WOULD God speak with Paul in Chinese seeing that Paul didn't speak Chinese? YESHUA` (Jesus) spoke in Hebrew (or at least Aramaic, a language very much like Hebrew). And, Paul, who was multilingual, could understand Hebrew (or Aramaic). Therefore, Yeshua` spoke to him in that language.

On 11/20/2016 at 2:45 PM, tleichs said:

Acts 26:13-15
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Do you have any fonte that says Gods original language are Hebrew?

To be honest, I don't fully understand this question. I THINK you are asking,
"Do you have any proof that says God's original language was Hebrew,"
but I don't really know if that is what you mean. What do you mean by "fonte?"

If I've restated your question correctly, I answered that: 

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No, I don't; however, the Torah, which has only been written in Hebrew, to my knowledge, tells us that God spoke with Adam and Chavah (Eve) in the garden, and their words were written in Hebrew in the record we have of their conversations! The words that are recorded in the Torah about the Creation were also written in Hebrew and those words that named the "day" and the "night" and the "heavens" and the "earth" and the "seas" were the Hebrew words "yowm," "laaylaah," "shaamaayim," "erets," and "yamiym," respectively. So, I have NO reason to think that the original language used for communication between God and the man and his wife was NOT Hebrew. In fact, I believe the original language HAD TO BE Hebrew.

Something else I should add: Yeshua` (Jesus), God's Messiah, spoke Aramaic, which is close to Hebrew. He knew Hebrew. He could converse in Hebrew with the rabbis and priests in Jerusalem, and He could quote the Scriptures which were written in Hebrew. Yeshua` spoke Hebrew.When He returns, He will rule and reign from Israel for a THOUSAND YEARS! Don't you think that the language of His country would be Hebrew? Don't you think that His "lingua franca" would be Hebrew? 

 

On 11/20/2016 at 2:45 PM, tleichs said:

Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord (Master, Sir)? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
KJV
And What is a language for you?

so my questions are  red

Again, I THINK I know what you are asking, but I'm not sure. I THINK you are asking, "What is your language?" If I'm wrong, you'll have to reword your question because it doesn't make sense to me. My answer was also already given:

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My native language is American English, but I'm studying Hebrew because I believe it will be the majority language of the Millennium. Why would anyone want to waste time going through an interpreter for a THOUSAND YEARS?!

God's very Name revealed to Mosheh (Moses) was "YHWH," based on a Hebrew verb!

Some people think that we will have "instant knowledge" after we receive our new bodies, but I don't think so. The Scriptures never promise that. Our new bodies may have better concentration and a better memory, but we will still need to follow the normal learning process. So, if we need Hebrew and we don't study Hebrew now, we will have to spend some time learning it at the beginning of the Millennium.

 

 

[tleichs]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

I don't, really. I'm saying that if you READ any of my posts, you would find that ...

yes, that you have already answered

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

God "lives" EVERYWHERE! He is "omnipresent." He is not restricted to some mythical place called "Heaven!" That's a mythological thought that comes from Greek and Roman mythology (and mythologies before them) that was propagated by the old Roman Catholic Church during the Dark Ages.

I ask in other way: Where do Jesus live?

 

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Why WOULD God speak with Paul in Chinese seeing that Paul didn't speak Chinese? YESHUA` (Jesus) spoke in Hebrew (or at least Aramaic, a language very much like Hebrew). And, Paul, who was multilingual, could understand Hebrew (or Aramaic). Therefore, Yeshua` spoke to him in that language.

you used this argument to proof that hebrew is the language of God. So I asked you this so you show yourself that Jesus spoke to Paul in Hebrew because it was one language that he knew..... and not because it is the language of God

 

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

To be honest, I don't fully understand this question. I THINK you are asking,
"Do you have any proof that says God's original language was Hebrew,"
but I don't really know if that is what you mean. What do you mean by "fonte?"

If I've restated your question correctly, I answered that: 

Yes, I wanted to mean proof, sorry.

the division of languages was after the overflut. So nobody have no proof about the language before it.....

 

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Again, I THINK I know what you are asking, but I'm not sure. I THINK you are asking, "What is your language?" If I'm wrong, you'll have to reword your question because it doesn't make sense to me. My answer was also already given:

No, here I mean what is a language. It is the transliteration of the reality for you?