Liberal and Christianity

[The_Patriot21]

I would say yes, you can. Maybe not one with much in the way of maturity, but yes. I know many liberals that are far more Christlike then many so called conservative Christians. That, and in reality a person's salvation isn't our call, that's between them and God. I will say most "liberal" beliefs are not christian, but I'm not going to demonize all liberals and question a person's salvation just because they favor higher taxes then I do.

[Willa]

16 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

Not everyone is free of wrong perceptions or sins when they are saved. So I do think a liberal true Christian can exist, especially as a new believer. They just need the Lord to work that out of them. 

I agree, Jady.  It took my husband about a year to decide our planet had not been first inhabited by aliens from outer space instead of Adam and Eve.  It takes time for some people to submit all they think they know to what the Bible says.  But if the process started when they were teen agers and when they are 70 they have only accumulated more weird ideas, something is definite wrong.  This is the case of my dear friend who was baptized when I was.  I pray for her daily.

[The_Patriot21]

Unfortunately some people never mature...doesn't necessarily mean they're not saved.

[Running Gator]

2 hours ago, kwikphilly said:

Maybe someone will reply & tell us why we are wrong......

I will tell you why are you wrong.  Some born again Christians believe that God gave us freewill and it is not the place of Christians to take that away.  So, yes a liberal person is accepting, in the way of not telling anyone how to live, of any lifestyle that is not harming anyone else.   Jesus never forced anyone to act His way, he never used the laws to make people act like a Christian, so I will not do so either.  If two men or two women want to live together in sin and get the same perks from the government that I do, I say it is their right to be able to choose that lifestyle.   We are not a theocracy and our laws should not be based solely on the bible.   Do I belive homosexulaty is a sin, yes I do, but I change that by dealing with the individual and not passing laws.   Homoselxay is no more a sin than two people of opposite gender having sex outside of marriage or no more of a sin than people who have been married 3, 4, or 5 times that keep doing it again.   The most liberal verse in the bible... So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets

[missmuffet]

Question: "What is liberal Christian theology?"

Answer: In liberal Christian teaching, which is not Christian at all, man’s reason is stressed and is treated as the final authority. Liberal theologians seek to reconcile Christianity with secular science and modern thinking. In doing so, they treat science as all-knowing and the Bible as fable-laden and false. Genesis’ early chapters are reduced to poetry or fantasy, having a message, but not to be taken literally (in spite of Jesus’ having spoken of those early chapters in literal terms). Mankind is not seen as totally depraved, and thus liberal theologians have an optimistic view of the future of mankind. The social gospel is also emphasized, while the inability of fallen man to fulfill it is denied. Whether a person is saved from his sin and its penalty in hell is no longer the issue; the main thing is how man treats his fellow man. “Love” of our fellow man becomes the defining issue. As a result of this “reasoning” by liberal theologians, the following doctrines are taught by liberal quasi-Christian theologians:

1) The Bible is not “God-breathed” and has errors. Because of this belief, man (the liberal theologians) must determine which teachings are correct and which are not. Belief that the Bible is “inspired” (in that word’s original meaning) by God is only held by simpletons. This directly contradicts 2 Timothy 3:16-17: “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching. This directly contradicts Isaiah 7:14 and Luke 2.

3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form. This contradicts the resurrection accounts in all four Gospels and the entire New Testament.

4) Jesus was a good moral teacher, but His followers and their followers have taken liberties with the history of His life (there were no “supernatural” miracles), with the Gospels having been written many years later and merely ascribed to the early disciples in order to give greater weight to their teachings. This contradicts the 2 Timothy passage and the doctrine of the supernatural preservation of the Scriptures by God.

5) Hell is not real. Man is not lost in sin and is not doomed to some future judgment without a relationship with Christ through faith. Man can help himself; no sacrificial death by Christ is necessary since a loving God would not send people to such a place as hell and since man is not born in sin. This contradicts Jesus Himself, who declared Himself to be the Way to God, through His atoning death (John 14:6).

6) Most of the human authors of the Bible are not who they are traditionally believed to be. For instance, they believe that Moses did not write the first five books of the Bible. The book of Daniel had two authors because there is no way that the detailed “prophecies” of the later chapters could have been known ahead of time; they must have been written after the fact. The same thinking is carried over to the New Testament books. These ideas contradict not only the Scriptures but historical documents which verify the existence of all the people whom the liberals deny.

7) The most important thing for man to do is to “love” his neighbor. What is the loving thing to do in any situation is not what the Bible says is good but what the liberal theologians decide is good. This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving (Jeremiah 17:9) until He has been redeemed by Christ and given a new nature (2 Corinthians 5:17).

There are many pronouncements of Scripture against those who would deny the deity of Christ (2 Peter 2:1)—which liberal Christianity does. Scripture also denounces those who would preach a different gospel from what was preached by the apostles (Galatians 1:8)—which is what the liberal theologians do in denying the necessity of Christ’s atoning death and preaching a social gospel in its place. The Bible condemns those who call good evil and evil good (Isaiah 5:20)—which some liberal churches do by embracing homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle while the Bible repeatedly condemns its practice.

Scripture speaks against those who would cry “peace, peace” when there is no peace (Jeremiah 6:14)—which liberal theologians do by saying that man can attain peace with God apart from Christ’s sacrifice on the cross and that man need not worry about a future judgment before God. The Word of God speaks of a time when men will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof (2 Timothy 3:5)—which is what liberal theology does in that it says that there is some inner goodness in man that does not require a rebirth by the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ. And it speaks against those who would serve idols instead of the one true God (1 Chronicles 16:26)—which liberal Christianity does in that it creates a false god according to its own liking rather than worshiping God as He is described in the whole of the Bible.

http://www.gotquestions.org/liberal-Christian-theology.html

[Running Gator]

There is a difference between Liberal Christian Theology and a Chrisitan who happens to be politically liberal.

[The_Patriot21]

Aaah. Another blanket gotquestions copy and paste. Gonna have to disagree with gotquestions here, because their theory is based on some invalid assumptions. The main one is that just because they are "liberal" they must be accepting of all others, and this just isnt true of all liberal christians, there are many who are liberal on many political viewpoints, but still teach "Christ" is the only answer.

 

Sure there are those that are. But you can't make blanket judgements, because they are almost always based off of invalid assumptions.

[MorningGlory]

3 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said:

There is a difference between Liberal Christian Theology and a Chrisitan who happens to be politically liberal.

The problem arises when liberal Christians support abortion, gay marriage, removing God from the public discourse and unchecked immigration while working to disarm the population.  If they don't support any of those things then there's no problem.

[Running Gator]

4 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

The problem arises when liberal Christians support abortion, gay marriage, removing God from the public discourse and unchecked immigration while working to disarm the population.  If they don't support any of those things then there's no problem.

I agree with you on abortion, the rest have nothing to do with Jesus or a person's relationship with him.   It is a shame that people that don't think like you want them to are a problem to you.  

[missmuffet]

Isn't liberal and Christianity an oxymoron?