What can we learn from the virtuous woman Proverbs 31

[Sister]

angels4u

 John 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yes, to worship God is to worship Christ. It's the same. Christ is the Word of God.  I worship God through his Word.  Christ is our Lord.  You can't have one without the other, they are one.

But many do not even consider this.  They see Christ on the cross and think that's it, I'm saved, he did all the work, .....whilst forgetting that he is the Word of God, and we can only come to God through his Word, ...not Muhamad's word, Krishna's word, Boda's word or man's word, but God's very own Word who is Christ.  I'm going deep down the rabbit hole now, sorry again.  We can't be saved just believing Jesus died for us and that's it, but have to actually take in his Word, by eating it, and drinking it, let it digest and live by it.  Meet him half way, give him sacrifices of the heart, and the rest he will provide for our journey.

[angels4u]

32 minutes ago, Sister said:

angels4u

 John 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Yes, to worship God is to worship Christ. It's the same. Christ is the Word of God.  I worship God through his Word.  Christ is our Lord.  You can't have one without the other, they are one.

But many do not even consider this.  They see Christ on the cross and think that's it, I'm saved, he did all the work, .....whilst forgetting that he is the Word of God, and we can only come to God through his Word, ...not Muhamad's word, Krishna's word, Boda's word or man's word, but God's very own Word who is Christ.  I'm going deep down the rabbit hole now, sorry again.  We can't be saved just believing Jesus died for us and that's it, but have to actually take in his Word, by eating it, and drinking it, let it digest and live by it.  Meet him half way, give him sacrifices of the heart, and the rest he will provide for our journey.

 

 

Sister, do you believe the Word is God?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

We can't be saved just believing Jesus died for us and that's it, but have to actually take in his Word, by eating it, and drinking it, let it digest and live by it.

If you mean by this that one must not only believe that Christ died for our sins and rose again for our justification, but also receive Him as Lord ans Savior, then that is biblical.  But if you are applying this to the written Word, then that is NOT biblical.  

The Word is the seed which generates the New Birth, and the Word is food for our souls.  But it is Christ Himself who is our salvation.  He is our Righteousness.

If you are saying that we must add something to justification by grace through faith, then that is not what the Gospel is.

[Sister]

7 hours ago, angels4u said:

Sister, do you believe the Word is God?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

angels4u

Do you love truth?  Do you want me to answer according to your doctrine, or shall I answer according to truth?

When I searched the scriptures, I didn't have a text book in my other hand doing all the interpretation for me, but came to Christ reading his Word as a little child knowing nothing, and trusting him to fill me.  I think you know my stance on this, as I have talked about this scripture in depth on here in the past,

Please read the scripture again very carefully and ponder on it for a while.  Look at your question, and then look at God's answer in that scripture.  I will come back and explain again but have to step out for a while.

[Sister]

Hi Angels4u

John 1:1   In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You asked me if I believe the Word is God.  It says above that the Word "was" God.  I will explain it how I understand.

In the beginning.....well God has no beginning because he is from "EVERLASTING".  He always was. 

....but there was a "beginning" when God started to create. That beginning.

So before creation, there was just God there and no one else.  I see God there with all his wisdom inside him, his Word is also in him but he hasn't spoken yet, for it's just him there.  God has a plan, he wants to start bringing things into existence, and use his "Word" to do this, everything will be made and formed by his Word.  This same Word that is in God, that belongs to him, he has decided that he is going to give his "Word" all the power and glory, because he knows that his Word is true and deserves this recognition and special attention,... which is why he brings his Word out of himself, he has a plan for later and he is going to do amazing things with his Word.

So then before creation, God brings his Word out of himself, and places it beside him.  He gives him a name, a form and shape, and whatever God thinks, his Word does the speaking and executes his will.  So the Word is still God, but instead of being "in him", it's now out and beside him.  It's still God.  If he were to look at his Word, it would be like looking into a mirror, an exact replica, as he controls his Word.  There is still only God there with his Word, and no one else.

Isaiah 44:24   Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

God and his Word are ONE.  Now God starts creating.  He commands, and his Word obeys.

In God's plan, is to make men know him through his Word.  But God is a spirit, and his Word is spirit also, and God wants his Word to dwell with man, and show man his glory, and save us, so he transforms his Word into flesh, this same Word that "came out of him", and now his Word is born into the world, but in a different form, flesh,  and has an identity now all on his own, and a name given for man to know him by, and God called him his Son, and told the whole world that he sent him, and to hear him.

 John 16:27   For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

This is where it changes, before there was "one", now there are "two", but the Word is "one" with God and the same, for when Jesus speaks, it is still God speaking through him, and there were times when Jesus spoke on his own.  So this shows that Jesus, the Word of God is always in direct communication with his Father, and that before he came into the world, he was inside God, then brought forth out of him, and was in fact God's Word, therefore he "was" God.  This is how he shared the glory before the world was, for he "WAS" GOD, now he has his own identity, because God brought him forth, and has glorified him, and showed us that his Word is true, even until death, in any shape or form he is given, whether spirit or flesh, it's still the same Word, he obeys and is true.

And the Word of God has life on his own now, but his will is always to do the will of the Father, and whatever he says is the Father speaking through him, and when Jesus speaks, it is still God speaking, and Jesus the Word of God has gone back to the Father and sits at his right hand.

Where my view differs to yours, is that God turned "his Word" into flesh, and not himself....but "his Word", as it says in John 1:1., and that's the same Word that was with God in the beginning, and before he was "with" God, he was "in" God, therefore he "was" God, as there was no one else.  This statement is a true declaration.

I also have a hard time believing that Satan "killed God".  He would love us to think this.  I don't believe that Satan or anyone could kill God, because God holds everything together, and if he was killed, even for 1 minute, everything would fall apart, which is why God prepared a sacrifice, turned his Word into flesh, and sacrificed his Son, and executed his plan which he had from the beginning to bring his Word more glory, being tried and tested in the fire, showing he is true and doesn't disobey even once.

  And Jesus is still the Word of God and nothing changes, for all things have been given to him and God called Jesus God, and annointed him,... and to worship Jesus is to worship the Father, because he is the exact replica of his Father and all that he says and does is what the Father does, there is no difference.  Is Jesus God, yes, because he is the Word of God, but I understand it a little differently and that relationship between them, and goes a lot deeper than just being forced to accept a doctrine that even those who hold it can't explain and I think I have a bit of both, it's not a yes or no answer, but needs explaining.

Matthew 11:27   All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

 

 

 

[missmuffet]

4 hours ago, Sister said:

angels4u

Do you love truth?  Do you want me to answer according to your doctrine, or shall I answer according to truth?

When I searched the scriptures, I didn't have a text book in my other hand doing all the interpretation for me, but came to Christ reading his Word as a little child knowing nothing, and trusting him to fill me.  I think you know my stance on this, as I have talked about this scripture in depth on here in the past,

Please read the scripture again very carefully and ponder on it for a while.  Look at your question, and then look at God's answer in that scripture.  I will come back and explain again but have to step out for a while.

So Holy doctrine is not the truth? What you are posting is?

[Sister]

10 hours ago, Ezra said:

If you mean by this that one must not only believe that Christ died for our sins and rose again for our justification, but also receive Him as Lord ans Savior, then that is biblical.  But if you are applying this to the written Word, then that is NOT biblical.  

 

Ezra

It's both, but you are going back to the milk now.  This is basic knowledge that Jesus died on the cross for us, and took on the sins of the whole world, so that through his death we can be given life.  We are going much more deeper on to the solids now.  We cannot grow on just milk, and should surely be past that stage now.

  If Jesus did not come with his Word, we would not be able to tell him apart from any other man.  We have never met Jesus face to face, as we were not there back then, but we know him from his Word, which was written and recorded for us know him by.  If not, it would all be chinese whispers, but we have something more substantial than just believing in him and all the wonderful works he did, for we have his words also that back up everything he did and why.  All the words contained in the holy bible is either Christ speaking, or inspired by him, and given to us to learn and live by.

 John 17:6   I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

  John 17:14   I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

  John 17:17   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

[Sister]

20 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

So Holy doctrine is not the truth? What you are posting is?

What's more powerful, someone telling us what to believe, or going straight to the source itself?

Didn't Christ say that he will feed us?  So why do we have to take men's word for it and go through men.  Men make mistakes.  I have even made mistakes, but the Word itself is pure, and there are no mistakes, the only mistakes made are in the eyes of the beholder.  So if I err, I err out of my own understanding, and not because of another. I have only myself to blame.  I say it as I see it, it's straight from me, no one else to protect, no high positions to hold, no one elses words to repeat, but from the scriptures only as I see it.  I am no one special, just another person on the face of this earth having my say by answering questions put to me by those who wish to spread forth their nets.

 

 

Edited September 14, 2016 by Sister

[Sister]

These warnings are for all of us. I think I put this in the wrong section, but is good to read so that we not be included in God's anger.

 

Isaiah 5:13   Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst.

  Isaiah 5:14   Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

  Isaiah 5:15   And the mean man shall be brought down, and the mighty man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled:

  Isaiah 5:16   But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

  Isaiah 5:17   Then shall the lambs feed after their manner, and the waste places of the fat ones shall strangers eat.

  Isaiah 5:18   Woe unto them that draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as it were with a cart rope:

  Isaiah 5:19   That say, Let him make speed, and hasten his work, that we may see it: and let the counsel of the Holy One of Israel draw nigh and come, that we may know it!

  Isaiah 5:20   Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

  Isaiah 5:21   Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

  Isaiah 5:22   Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:

  Isaiah 5:23   Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

  Isaiah 5:24   Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Sister