God has NOT withheld the Cures

[Hippie333]

24 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

I'm sorry to say this but I think some of the post on here are just nuts.

Regardless of how we may view things, others may not see things as we do.  It's up to us here to teach and learn, help others and provide truth.  Telling someone their post is nuts, is not Christian of us nor does it encourage someone to see things differently.

God Bless,

Hip

 

[Ezra]

On 9/22/2016 at 9:32 PM, EllenDiann said:

We need to stop idolizing  pharma research and pharma pushing doctors and test every word and act with God's Word.

I would have to agree with this. Most North Americans (and perhaps Europeans also) idolize doctors of medicine, and seem to forget that doctors in general are being manipulated by Big Pharma to prescribe pharmaceuticals which are probably as much harmful as they are beneficial.  

Pharmaceuticals are very big business, but the cure is often worse than the disease.  And in any event, drugs only deal with the symptoms, not with the actual causes. People need to educate themselves about the natural remedies which God has provided in thousands of plants and herbs. The human body itself is extremely active in bringing about healing, but those who dwell on sickness and disease will often get what they focus on, as  per the Law of Attraction.

The real issue is that the culture has become drug dependent (whether with prescribed drugs or with illegal drugs -- so called "controlled substances").  If addicts would quit overnight, the cartels would go out of business (and perhaps some doctors too).

BTW the administration's open border policy with Mexico is a green light to the drug cartels (along with every criminal and terrorist), so the war on drugs is essentially a sham.  Trump is on the right track.  Build a wall with Mexico and shut out every illegal activity.  And make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another.

As to Divine healing, it is still a reality.  But there is no guarantee that every believer will be healed of every disease. As to the spiritual gift of healing, that was for the apostolic age. Now it is the prayer of faith which heals the sick and afflicted.

We should also remember that the old adage "Laughter is the best medicine" is very true. Norman Cousins laughed himself out of a life-threatening illness ( either ankylosing spondylitis or reactive arthritis) many years ago.

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, Ezra said:

I would have to agree with this. Most North Americans (and perhaps Europeans also) idolize doctors of medicine, and seem to forget that doctors in general are being manipulated by Big Pharma to prescribe pharmaceuticals which are probably as much harmful as they are beneficial.  

Pharmaceuticals are very big business, but the cure is often worse than the disease.  And in any event, drugs only deal with the symptoms, not with the actual causes. People need to educate themselves about the natural remedies which God has provided in thousands of plants and herbs. The human body itself is extremely active in bringing about healing, but those who dwell on sickness and disease will often get what they focus on, as  per the Law of Attraction.

The real issue is that the culture has become drug dependent (whether with prescribed drugs or with illegal drugs -- so called "controlled substances").  If addicts would quit overnight, the cartels would go out of business (and perhaps some doctors too).

BTW the administration's open border policy with Mexico is a green light to the drug cartels (along with every criminal and terrorist), so the war on drugs is essentially a sham.  Trump is on the right track.  Build a wall with Mexico and shut out every illegal activity.  And make Mexico pay for the wall one way or another.

As to Divine healing, it is still a reality.  But there is no guarantee that every believer will be healed of every disease. As to the spiritual gift of healing, that was for the apostolic age. Now it is the prayer of faith which heals the sick and afflicted.

We should also remember that the old adage "Laughter is the best medicine" is very true. Norman Cousins laughed himself out of a life-threatening illness ( either ankylosing spondylitis or reactive arthritis) many years ago.

But some of those natural remedies and herbal cures can kill. Just Google some of the side effects.

[Ezra]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

But some of those natural remedies and herbal cures can kill. Just Google some of the side effects.

Everything is to be used judiciously. And if used injudiciously, you are correct. The best medicines can kill.

[missmuffet]

3 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Everything is to be used judiciously. And if used injudiciously, you are correct. The best medicines can kill.

Many things can kill. A child going under with a general to have their tonsils pulled can die. There are no guarantees.

[LadyKay]

4 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Why?

Well......to say that God will cures people for taking medication and getting vaccinated to me is nutty. Not only that, but I also see nothing Biblical about it. If someone whats to live that way that is their choice. But when they start making stuff up about God, I think they are either trying to have control over people or are nutty. That's what I think sorry but I do.  

[LadyKay]

4 hours ago, Hippie333 said:

Regardless of how we may view things, others may not see things as we do.  It's up to us here to teach and learn, help others and provide truth.  Telling someone their post is nuts, is not Christian of us nor does it encourage someone to see things differently.

God Bless,

Hip

 

I said what I thought. And for good or bad of it that is what I thought.

[Hippie333]

1Co 13:1  If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1Co 13:2  And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3  If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
1Co 13:4  Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant
1Co 13:5  or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;
1Co 13:6  it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.

 

[LadyKay]

I really don't think that if I say someone said something or posted something nutty that it is being unChristian. If I was to say to any of you that little green men came down from the sky and were following me around you would think I was nutty. Or at less advice me to seek mental health. So when someone post on here that God is going to curse you for taking medication I have to point it out for what it is. It is nutty as well as un Biblical.  You all can be mad at me if you want but that's what I think.

Edited September 25, 2016 by LadyKay

[Guest Robert]

37 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

I really don't think that if I say someone said something or posted something nutty that it is being unChristian. If I was to say to any of you that little green men came down from the sky and were following me around you would think I was nutty. Or at less advice me to seek mental health. So when someone post on here that God is going to curse you for taking medication I have to point it out for what it is. It is nutty as well as un Biblical.  You all can be mad at me if you want but that's what I think.

The problem isn't telling someone that something is not biblical:

" “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, eave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent."" (Matthew 5:21-26, NASB, emphasis mine)

The problem is in the spirit of calling someone's post "nuts".

I am not defending nor advocating that anyone should refrain from taking medications or that they should not vaccinate; I've seen on many occasions what happens when people do not and the ramifications of bad health decisions. I have also seen the abuse of medicine by both pharmaceutical corporations as well as the effects of "over-medication" by physicians and medical facilities. There does need to be a balance, with medicine used when appropriately and not for every single issue imaginable.

But with that said, the problem here is the spirit of calling someone's post "nuts" and the implications of making such a statement. It infers that the person whom the statement is being made about is in some way inferior and is belittling them in a way that goes against Scripture and how the Lord instructs us to conduct ourselves. We can say something is unscriptural, that is goes against the Lord's commands, or is not of the Lord. But when we take to using those kinds of names that, even indirectly, imply a mental deficit or cast an aspersion on someone, we are still resulting to name-calling.

Paul tells us in Colossians:

"Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry. For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience, and in them you also once walked, when you were living in them. But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth. Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him— a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all. So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you. Beyond all these things put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom teaching and admonishing one another with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father." (Colossians 3:5-17, NASB, emphasis mine)

Additionally, insulting one another over disagreements gives a tremendous amount of "ammunition" to the enemies of God to use against Him. Keep in mind that our words here are seen by more than simply "the regulars" who visit here, not to mention one day we will give an account of our deeds, words and even the very thoughts and feelings in our hearts before the Lord.

Yes, you can think what you want, but does what you think line up with the Word?

"Therefore I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith. For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Since we have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, each of us is to exercise them accordingly: if prophecy, according to the proportion of his faith; if service, in his serving; or he who teaches, in his teaching; or he who exhorts, in his exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness." (Romans 12:1-8, NASB, emphasis mine)

I'm not trying to condemn you sis; I'm just asking you to consider your words in the light of Scripture and in the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Edited September 25, 2016 by RobertS