Why God hates divorce - an alternate look

[StanJ]

10 minutes ago, Churchmouse said:

I believe that Nebula has spoken about these links. I would suggest you respond to him so that i won't have to ask you the same question. To be honest I would rather talk with you about this, because I can't debate a link. the author is not present and I can't ask him anything. I would like to ask you to please point out the scripture that directs the authors of these links to think upon these lines.  There must have been something they could point out or in this case, you could point out that would lend some credence to these claims. If not then all we have is conjecture. I do have an open mind on somethings, but I need something to entertain that mind other than other peoples opinions.

as far as I know I responded to everyone of nebula's posts but this is not a tag team, so if you want to ask questions or engage in discussion then do so on your own.  I prefer to deal with one train of thought at a time rather than have people interject all over the place when they're not even following the context of each conversation.  the links were only provided to show that the issue is relevant to today and has been for quite some time. If you want to discuss the issue then please go ahead and do so because unlike a lot of your peers on this thread you do appear to be more amenable to discussion rather than denial.

[StanJ]

3 minutes ago, Davida said:

There is tons of scripture to chose from .

GOD is Omnipresent:
Proverbs 15:3 - The eyes of the LORD [are] in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
Colossians 1:17 - And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Job 34:21 - For his eyes [are] upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.

The Omniscience of GOD
Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Jeremiah 23:24 - Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

God our Father is Omnipotent:
Matthew 19:26 - But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Luke 1:37 - For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Jeremiah 32:27 - Behold, I [am] the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?

Romans 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Isaiah 44:24 - Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I [am] the LORD that maketh all [things]; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

Hebrews 1:3 - Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Revelation 19:6 - And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Jeremiah 10:12 - He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.

Sorry but none of those verses used the Omni words so why do you insist I come up with the scripture that uses the impassible word?

Are the eyes of the Lord in every place or is that hyperbole?

With faith nothing for a Believer is impossible so does that make us omnipotent?

 is Psalm 139:13 Literal or hyperbole? Did God establish procreation in Genesis 1 or does he knit every person in their mother's womb?

 

[Guest shiloh357]

42 minutes ago, StanJ said:

I know what's open theists are and that wasn't my point. This is what happens when you interject.  The point is that the hyperbole used in Genesis 6:6 is the same used whenever it is used to anthropomorphise God.  This one verse alone does not convey the idea of omniscience, yet you have no problem seeing it's true intent because you've been taught that not because you discovered it. Even though you agree with the immutability of God you still refuse to recognize God's impassibility because you haven't discovered it by the Holy Spirit, you've only been taught by man.  

The Holy Spirit uses men to teach.  He anoints preachers and teachers to instruct us.  It's rather silly for you to criticize  being taught by men while you sit here and presume to teach us.  You are just as much the product of human teachers as anyone else is.   Don't pretend otherwise.

I know that God is not impassible because of what the Bible says and because of the anointed teachers I have listened to over the years, whom the Holy Spirit has used and is still using.   I will trust them over anything coming from you.

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You agree with the three Omni attributes of God not because you discovered them but because you were taught them. Hate is just as anthropomorphic as regret is, except to those who refuse to see it. 

No, hate is not anthropomorphic.   Anthropomorphisms give human traits to non-human things.   Hate is an attribute God possesses and the Bible says so, despite your attempt at a Jedi mind trick to fool people into thinking the Bible doesn't say what it says.  The Bible doesn't anthropomorphize human hate and project it on to God.  It demonstrates a perfect and righteous hate that God possesses and expresses sinlessly.

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How exactly could God be grieved if he knew exactly what was going to happen? Again you anthropomorphize the word to try to make a point and do not even recognize what you're doing.

How could God knowing the future mean that He cannot be grieved?   He expresses grief and sorrow over man all of the time in the Bible.  That is a communicable attribute that we share with Him, so grief cannot be anthropomorphic.

[Churchmouse]

1 hour ago, StanJ said:

as far as I know I responded to everyone of nebula's posts but this is not a tag team, so if you want to ask questions or engage in discussion then do so on your own.  I prefer to deal with one train of thought at a time rather than have people interject all over the place when they're not even following the context of each conversation.  the links were only provided to show that the issue is relevant to today and has been for quite some time. If you want to discuss the issue then please go ahead and do so because unlike a lot of your peers on this thread you do appear to be more amenable to discussion rather than denial.

I believe that on post 3 of page 17 Nebula said you ignored his question. I too had the same question, which is why I posted that as I didn't want to seem like I'm stepping on him. Since the train of thought is the same for the same question, I would ask you again to respond to him, because I have seen no direct response from you on that matter. Also, This is no tag team effort. It is an effort to get information from you that from my point of view and I would submit others as well, that can not be corroborated in scripture. I have stated that much in the post you quoted previously, but to that you've not responded to either.

Passion runs deep where faith is the deepest. I would diminish those who are strong in their understanding of scripture as I know you are. I am a firm believer in Sola Scriptura and take my guidance from the Holy Bible and not from other peoples understanding of that holy book. I am not so self assured of myself that I can't take council from others about what is written there, but I need a frame of reference withing scripture to start from. That is why I ask you to grant me that boon so we can work this out beyond that which we have today and we haven't even begun to look at that.

[FresnoJoe]

On 12/3/2016 at 8:54 PM, nebula said:

The fear of the LORD is hatred of evil.
Pride and arrogance and the way of evil
and perverted speech I hate. Proverbs 8:13 (English Standard Version)

No Brag

Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones and delivers them from the hand of the wicked. Psalms 97:10 (New International Version)

Just Fact

The LORD detests the way of the wicked, but he loves those who pursue godliness. Proverbs 15:9 (New Living Translation)

On 12/3/2016 at 9:05 PM, StanJ said:

This is hyperbolic language....
not literal....

No Need To Call

Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. The one who comes to me will never go hungry, and the one who believes in me will never be thirsty. John 6:35 (NET Bible)

The Pure Words Of God Hyperbolic

"Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in the palm of his hand? Who has wrapped water in a garment? Who has set up the earth from one end to the other? What is his name or the name of his son? Certainly, you must know!

"Every word of God has proven to be true. He is a shield to those who come to him for protection. Do not add to his words, or he will reprimand you, and you will be found to be a liar. Proverbs 30:4-8 (GOD'S WORD® Translation)

And Education Does Not Necessarily Make One Melancholic

Blessed is the man who doesn't walk in the counsel of the wicked, nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the Law of the LORD. On his Law he meditates day and night. Psalms 1:1-2 (New Heart English Bible)

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Be Blessed Beloved Of The KING

The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel; and I will bless them. Numbers 6:24-27 (King James Bible)

Love, Your Brother Joe

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Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160 (King James Bible)

The Bible contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.

Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.

It is the traveler’s map, the pilgrim’s staff, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s sword and the Christian’s charter. Here too, Heaven is opened and the gates of Hell disclosed.

Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill the memory, rule the heart and guide the feet. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully.  It is a mine of wealth, a paradise of glory, and a river of pleasure.

It is given you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, rewards the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents.

From The Inside Of My Gideon New Testament

[StanJ]

2 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

The Holy Spirit uses men to teach.  He anoints preachers and teachers to instruct us.  It's rather silly for you to criticize  being taught by men while you sit here and presume to teach us.  You are just as much the product of human teachers as anyone else is.   Don't pretend otherwise.

 that's right the Holy Spirit does use man to teach but that still doesn't mean that the people hearing it will accept the truth just as the Holy Spirit uses God's word to teach and yet many people read God's word and still don't see the truth in it. I'm not criticizing people that teach I'm criticizing those that learn only from men and never from God and his word.  I was indeed a product of human teaching in my early years as a Christian but just as Hebrews indicates, I moved on to maturity and didn't need that same teaching over and over again.

3 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

I know that God is not impassible because of what the Bible says and because of the anointed teachers I have listened to over the years, whom the Holy Spirit has used and is still using.   I will trust them over anything coming from you.

 you know God is not impassible because of what the Bible says and yet you use what the Bible says about other emotions regarding God to say they're anthropomorphic and not literal. It must be nice to flip flop so easily between what you will and will not accept?  We only have your word as to whether or not these men were or were not anointed.  Very clear that you don't agree with anything I say so why don't we just agree to disagree and you stop wasting my time?  oh nevermind I'll just put you on ignore and then I won't have to waste anymore of my time.

[StanJ]

2 hours ago, Davida said:

Stan, I am wondering how you came to the opinion that the Bible is more allegorical then literal? Did someone teach you that? Is it from being raised in a particular Church that held this belief?

I never said that, I said that some parts of it are allegorical, some parts are hyperbolic, and some parts or metaphorical, the rest is literal. The whole rationale behind hermeneutical exegesis is to figure out what is what based on context.  Try reading Revelation and see just how far you get by determining that everything is literal there. Taking English and grammar in school is what taught me that and for some reason many Christians seem to want to forget what they were taught in school and just throw out that rulebook when it comes to reading the Bible.  Maybe I haven't been very clear about this but I've been reading and studying the Bible for over 45 years now.

[nebula]

3 hours ago, StanJ said:

 like I said God's law of sowing and reaping is always in play.

No, you are refusing to answer because you cannot answer. 

I've responded to your posts.

By the way, love is not a feeling. So claiming that "God is love" invalidates Him from the action of loving is nonsense.

[StanJ]

3 hours ago, Davida said:

It is Literal , GOD is outside of our human understanding - He is Omniscient and  Omnipresent and aware of every minute detail - so Yes as David had this epiphany that GOD knew him from the very moment of his conception in sin and that GOD knit him and everyone in their mother's womb. God knows all of the stars by name. Yes this is all literal. GOD is not limited.  We are finite -- GOD is UNLIMITED and INFINITE.

 

so it's okay for you to deduce from scripture what you've been taught about Omnipotence, Omnipresence and Omniscience, yet when somebody else does it with impassibility you are blind to it? How convenient!  I really can't have a discussion with somebody about the Bible if they think that everything in the Bible is literal even though it's quite obvious that it isn't.

[StanJ]

2 minutes ago, nebula said:

No, you are refusing to answer because you cannot answer. 

I've responded to your posts.

By the way, love is not a feeling. So claiming that "God is love" invalidates Him from the action of loving is nonsense.

 you were answered way back and still push it so I have no reason to continue to reiterate the same answers over and over again if you're going to ignore them or deny them.

 you responded and I've answered you don't like the response or the answers that pretty much is your problem and I would suggest stop asking.

 the Bible says God IS love and that is not a feeling, that is God. If you want to know what that is like then read 1st Corinthians 13 as it gets relatively close but still won't Encompass everything God is.