What do you mean?

[The_Patriot21]

52 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

No, this is what I asked

Where does Paul tell Timothy that scripture is the Word of God?   How did the books of the NT become seen as the Word of God?  

I just showed you where he told Timothy that...

As far as why we accept the books we do, a lot goes into why the original people put them together, how credible the documents were (how sure they were on the author etc) and how well they worked with the other books.

Which is why I reject the apocryphal books, they have to many inconsistencies with the accepted scriptures for them to be considered scripture. They even directly contradict themselves at several points, to many errors for them to be "inspired".

[ruck1b]

1 minute ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

I just showed you where he told Timothy that...

As far as why we accept the books we do, a lot goes into why the original people put them together, how credible the documents were (how sure they were on the author etc) and how well they worked with the other books.

Which is why I reject the apocryphal books, they have to many inconsistencies with the accepted scriptures for them to be considered scripture. They even directly contradict themselves at several points, to many errors for them to be "inspired".

But I didn't ask you to show me what Paul stated.  I asked what do you mean  when you say the Bible is God's word.  Also, Paul never said the Bible was God's word.  He said scripture was inspired by God.  Do you believe by Paul saying scripture was inspired by God that he was saying its the word of God? 

If we reject some things based on inconsistencies wouldn't we have to reject everything considering there are  many located within the texts we read...how do we reconcile that?

[warrior12]

3 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

 

What you said in bold is pretty  profound in my opinion.  It actually gets to a reality that I don't think we totally believe, but I will digress from that for a moment. 

I present the question again and I would like to further it a bit...when did the NT become God's Word?  Is all of the OT God's word?    Also is there a "test" concerning what is and what is not God's word?
 

Don't really get what you are saying that "It actually gets to a reality that I don't think we totally believe."  You mean, you don't believe.  The Holy spirit is living and very real in a christian life.  God is a spirit and those who worship him must do so in spirit and truth.

John 4King James Version (KJV

²⁴ God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I think you want proof that the Bible is indeed  the word of God.   Read the first chapter of Romans 1.

Romans 1King James Version (KJV)

¹⁹ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

²⁰ For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

I am not a Theologian, so can't help you with the semantics of the early fathers writings ect.

[Running Gator]

2 hours ago, ruck1b said:

First let me begin by saying I know this is a touchy subject but it is my hope that this brings thoughtful and thought provoking discussion.  If you feel that this topic is too touchy for you I ask that you do not participate in it.  Now to the questions.

For those that believe the Bible to be the Word of God, what do you mean by that? 

I believe God inspired the authors of the Bible to write what HE wanted passed along to mankind, and that is what they did. This is what the bible tells us happened, and since I believe the Bible to be the word of God, I believe that statement. 

I think the 66 books are the right collection because I believe that God is capable of guiding humans to collect the proper books that He wanted collected into the bible. 

[JTC]

The Bible is a book about God and the knowledge in it was given to men by God who then wrote it down. It has a specific purpose which is to tell us what we need to know to be reach God and be saved to Heaven. It's not about science nor was it meant to be. It is about Jesus and many OT scriptures that don't make sense at first do make sense if they are referring to Jesus. And then in the NT we find out that they are referring to Jesus. The Bible means to teach us what we need to believe and how we need to behave. Jesus made the made behavior part very easy. He said to treat everyone else how you want to be treated. You don't need to be rocket scientist to understand that. So the Bible is God's important information to man. It's what we need to know to be acceptable to Him. That's the main thing.

[Sing40King]

Your answer is in your question. The Bible is the Word of God. That's what we mean. Based on your  previous posts I think you're just here to argue every point anyone here makes. So far I am correct. The question you ask realy can't be answered because the question itself answers it. If you're asking for proof why we believe that is different.

[ruck1b]

51 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Don't really get what you are saying that "It actually gets to a reality that I don't think we totally believe."  You mean, you don't believe.  The Holy spirit is living and very real in a christian life.  God is a spirit and those who worship him must do so in spirit and truth.

John 4King James Version (KJV

²⁴ God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

I think you want proof that the Bible is indeed  the word of God.   Read the first chapter of Romans 1.

Romans 1King James Version (KJV)

¹⁹ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

²⁰ For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

I am not a Theologian, so can't help you with the semantics of the early fathers writings ect.

Actually what we dont believe, but again I digress from that point for now. Also what you gave is not proof that the Bible is the word of God. In anycase I never asked for proof. I asked what do those that believe the Bible is the word of God mean. 

[The_Patriot21]

1 hour ago, ruck1b said:

But I didn't ask you to show me what Paul stated.  I asked what do you mean  when you say the Bible is God's word.  Also, Paul never said the Bible was God's word.  He said scripture was inspired by God.  Do you believe by Paul saying scripture was inspired by God that he was saying its the word of God? 

If we reject some things based on inconsistencies wouldn't we have to reject everything considering there are  many located within the texts we read...how do we reconcile that?

Well as a christian I model my beliefs off of the Bible. So, my answer, is that verse. If you don't like my answer I can't help you. My answer does not change.

As far as inconsistencies, there is a huge difference between the ones in the original 66 and the apocryphal. When one does a serious study especially taking into account the language differences, with the original 66 there really is no inconsistencies. Some minor stuff here and there, most of which are just translational issues. A lot arnt even inconsistencies but rather people's misunderstandings about how the book was written etc.

Not so with the apocryphal books. They contain not just translational issues but major and I mean MAJOR Doctrinal conflicts with the established books of the Bible.

[warrior12]

29 minutes ago, ruck1b said:

Actually what we dont believe, but again I digress from that point for now. Also what you gave is not proof that the Bible is the word of God. In anycase I never asked for proof. I asked what do those that believe the Bible is the word of God mean. 

Well this is what six year old do, repeat the same question all the time.  You are all grown up by now, so if you expand on your question a bit to give a bit more insight of what you are after, we can respond or better address your question. 

So, let's see if we are getting somewhere.    The Bible is a compilation of written accounts that God has inspired men to write and has given men authority to do so. First to believe the Bible one must have faith and faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.  

I think also, you want answers that is not inclusive of the bible.  But a believer cannot do that.

[missmuffet]

There are both internal and external evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word. The internal evidences are those things within the Bible that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more than 40 authors who came from many walks of life, the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words which God moved men to record.

Another of the internal evidences that indicates the Bible is truly God’s Word is the prophecies contained within its pages. The Bible contains hundreds of detailed prophecies relating to the future of individual nations including Israel, certain cities, and mankind. Other prophecies concern the coming of One who would be the Messiah, the Savior of all who would believe in Him. Unlike the prophecies found in other religious books or those by men such as Nostradamus, biblical prophecies are extremely detailed. There are over three hundred prophecies concerning Jesus Christ in the Old Testament. Not only was it foretold where He would be born and His lineage, but also how He would die and that He would rise again. There simply is no logical way to explain the fulfilled prophecies in the Bible other than by divine origin. There is no other religious book with the extent or type of predictive prophecy that the Bible contains.

A third internal evidence of the divine origin of the Bible is its unique authority and power. While this evidence is more subjective than the first two, it is no less a powerful testimony of the divine origin of the Bible. The Bible’s authority is unlike any other book ever written. This authority and power are best seen in the way countless lives have been transformed by the supernatural power of God’s Word. Drug addicts have been cured by it, homosexuals set free by it, derelicts and deadbeats transformed by it, hardened criminals reformed by it, sinners rebuked by it, and hate turned to love by it. The Bible does possess a dynamic and transforming power that is only possible because it is truly God’s Word.

There are also external evidences that indicate the Bible is truly the Word of God. One is the historicity of the Bible. Because the Bible details historical events, its truthfulness and accuracy are subject to verification like any other historical document. Through both archaeological evidences and other writings, the historical accounts of the Bible have been proven time and time again to be accurate and true. In fact, all the archaeological and manuscript evidence supporting the Bible makes it the best-documented book from the ancient world. The fact that the Bible accurately and truthfully records historically verifiable events is a great indication of its truthfulness when dealing with religious subjects and doctrines and helps substantiate its claim to be the very Word of God.

Another external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the integrity of its human authors. As mentioned earlier, God used men from many walks of life to record His words. In studying the lives of these men, we find them to be honest and sincere. The fact that they were willing to die often excruciating deaths for what they believed testifies that these ordinary yet honest men truly believed God had spoken to them. The men who wrote the New Testament and many hundreds of other believers (1 Corinthians 15:6) knew the truth of their message because they had seen and spent time with Jesus Christ after He had risen from the dead. Seeing the risen Christ had a tremendous impact on them. They went from hiding in fear to being willing to die for the message God had revealed to them. Their lives and deaths testify to the fact that the Bible truly is God’s Word.

A final external evidence that the Bible is truly God’s Word is the indestructibility of the Bible. Because of its importance and its claim to be the very Word of God, the Bible has suffered more vicious attacks and attempts to destroy it than any other book in history. From early Roman Emperors like Diocletian, through communist dictators and on to modern-day atheists and agnostics, the Bible has withstood and outlasted all of its attackers and is still today the most widely published book in the world.

Throughout time, skeptics have regarded the Bible as mythological, but archeology has confirmed it as historical. Opponents have attacked its teaching as primitive and outdated, but its moral and legal concepts and teachings have had a positive influence on societies and cultures throughout the world. It continues to be attacked by pseudo-science, psychology, and political movements, yet it remains just as true and relevant today as it was when it was first written. It is a book that has transformed countless lives and cultures throughout the last 2000 years. No matter how its opponents try to attack, destroy, or discredit it, the Bible remains; its veracity and impact on lives is unmistakable. The accuracy which has been preserved despite every attempt to corrupt, attack, or destroy it is clear testimony to the fact that the Bible is truly God’s Word and is supernaturally protected by Him. It should not surprise us that, no matter how the Bible is attacked, it always comes out unchanged and unscathed. After all, Jesus said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). After looking at the evidence, one can say without a doubt that, yes, the Bible is truly God’s Word.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html