Is Maryology Idolatry?

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

8 hours ago, woundeddog said:

Catholic propaganda says that Jesus never said the Bible was authority-- well when he was tempted by Satan- did he say "oral tradition rebukes you " Or did he say the Church Fathers rebuke you" or did he say The Magesterium rebukes you?' ----no he said IT IS WRITTEN-- the Bible is the final authority-- and it wasn't the Roman Church that gave it to us-- it was the Holy Spirit

I find it entertaining when I hear people say things like this. Their ignorance really shows. 

Perhaps you can show me some Church documents to support your claim. 

"Catholic propaganda says that Jesus never said the Bible was authority"

[Fidelibus]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

How do you assert yourself to be a sinner ?.   Genesis 1.    It places all man ever born to be a sinner and that include Mary as she was born flesh and blood. 

Any thing else, maybe from the N.T.?

[Spock]

31 minutes ago, Judas Machabeus said:

 

Perhaps you can show me some Church documents to support your claim. 

Judas and Fidel,

Since you two are the defenders of the RCC, would you mind telling us what the RCC position is for those people, CTholic and non-Catholic, who disagree with any or all of the Mary doctrines sited in the Catholic Catechism. 

Thanks,

spock

[Guest Judas Machabeus]

9 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

but they did not talk concerning the different inheritances, for Israel & for the Body of Christ.

I'm still unclear about this part. My understanding is that there is only one heaven. When I think of inheritance in relation to the bible it means salvation/entering into heaven. 

Thank you for your patient. Sometimes new ideas or looking at thing from a different angle can take time to become clear. I'm not sure which this is. New idea or old idea coming from a different angle. 

I found a commentary that seems to explain the third heaven idea, Paul mentions a third heaven but never says what it is. So I would have to think that the idea of a third heaven was common knowledge. The commentary was saying that the third heaven was the heaven we go to when we die. In Genesis it says the heavens were created and than talks about the firmaments. 

Again thanks for your patients. 

Cheers and God Bless

[warrior12]

51 minutes ago, Fidelibus said:

Any thing else, maybe from the N.T.?

You are putting the cart before the horse Fidelibus.   The onus is on you to show that Mary was without sin.   The Bible  has stated clearly, that it is indeed Jesus Christ who was the only sinless person to walk on the face of this earth and scripture shows this in many places.   However, we see no where in scripture that Mary was born without sin, but in fact was born as a sinner as she is the progenitor of our first parent. Not difficult is it.

2 Corinthians 5         King James Version (KJV)

²¹ For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Fidelibus]

3 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

   However, we see no where in scripture that Mary was born without sin, but in fact was born as a sinner as she is the progenitor of our first parent. Not difficult is it.

 

Thats my point, nowhere do I see where Scripture says that Mary did sin, and with respect, you have as yet to show it either.

[woundeddog]

1 hour ago, Judas Machabeus said:

Perhaps you can show me some Church documents to support your claim.

sorry JM-- that is the whole problem with the RCC "documents" instead of scripture.

I hear this all the time on EWTN Catholic radio- some apologist named Dr Edwards-- repeatedly tells callers that Jesus never said the Bible was the source of all spiritual instruction- his argument is that Jesus promoted "oral tradition"--

 

But for me-- It's not so important to win and "intellectual head butting " with you-- as it is to warn new believers and those searching Christ that the Roman Church will most likely lead them to hell rather than to heaven

[warrior12]

28 minutes ago, Fidelibus said:

Thats my point, nowhere do I see where Scripture says that Mary did sin, and with respect, you have as yet to show it either.

Then your reading of the  Bible is ????.   The  Bible is not a biography of Mary.   The Bible makes remarks that is intended for all mankind, therefore Mary falls in those remarks of why man was born in sin.  Mary is no different from any other person in that regard.  She was a chosen vessel to give birth to our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, she did not hold any position of deity  or any sinless status as the catholic church has so proclaim.    You are using semantics to show a baseless point.  

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2017 at 3:46 AM, Judas Machabeus said:

2. Mary was sinless BUT NOT like Jesus. Jesus is God and Mary is a creature.

No my brother. No creature of God was ever sinless. Or else the bible would, and COULD not say, ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short of the glory of God. And elsewhere, there is NONE righteous, NO NOT ONE.

Mary DID have other children.

Matthew 27:56 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joses

She couldn't be a mother to His cousins.

http://www.bible.ca/cath-mary-had-many-children.htm

One of the things the site says about cousins is....

 

The bible never uses these two Greek words anepsios or sungenis in reference to Jesus brothers. For Catholic doctrine to be true,

Greek Dictionary: cousin/Relative:

anepsios (ajneyiov" , (431)), in Col. 4:10 denotes a cousin rather than a nephew (A.V., "sister's son"). "Cousin" is its meaning in various periods of Greek writers.¶ In this sense it is used in the Sept., in Numb. 36:11.¶ In later writings it denotes a nephew; hence the A.V. rendering. As Lightfoot says, there is no reason to suppose that the Apostle would have used it in any other than its proper sense. We are to understand, therefore, that Mark was the cousin of Barnabas.

sungenis (suggeniv" , (4773)) in Luke 1:36 (so in the most authentic mss.) and sungeneµs in ver. 58 (plural), A.V., "cousin" and "cousins," respectively signify "kinswoman" and "kinsfolk," (R.V.); so the R.V. and A.V. in 2:44 and 21:16. The word lit. signifies 'born with,' i.e., of the same stock, or descent; hence kinsman, kindred. See Kin, Kinsfolk, Kinswoman.

Note: In Col. 4:10, A.V., anepsios (cp. Lat., nepos, whence Eng., nephew), a cousin (so, R.V.), is translated "sister's son." See Cousin.¶

 

 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

2 hours ago, Fidelibus said:

Thats my point, nowhere do I see where Scripture says that Mary did sin, and with respect, you have as yet to show it either

ALL HAVE SINNED and fall short of the glory of God.

Romans 3:23 | View whole chapter | See verse in context

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Mary was a woman made under the Law (Gal 4:4)

What was the law for? for sinners. 1 Tim 1:9

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

There is your proof