Mystery Babylon status rev.17

[other one]

4 hours ago, n2thelight said:

Only satan can be the antichrist

The word antichrist is not used in the book of Revelation,  so what is the antichrist called in the book of Revelation 

[Daniel 11:36]

The anti-christ is called the beast in Revelation [Revelation 13:1-4]

[Sister]

6 hours ago, Thallasa said:

"He will snatch ". I don't believe God snatches in this manner ,as this implies 'hatred ', and God does not hate .This is a human interpretation by a people still relatively simple . God's Creation , all of it , and particularly humanity ,have laws bult into it ,which can never be changed , for anything to grow to fullness . All plants, trees  animals , the eco system ,the cosmos (with stars and planets ) all obey laws which are intrinsic to their creation , by our Creator .

When Jesus speaks of the Law He is talking about these natural laws which are also spiritual , as they are kept in place by God's love and creative energy . These natural laws  are behind everything in creation ,are automatic in their reactionand have consequencs for humanity ,when we break God's inherent regulation of His creation .

When we suffer ,we do so because we break these laws ,which God has simplified for us ,by giving us the 10 commandments,which are entirely based around love (and recogntion of Him ,and our fellow men ).

So what we see as God's wrath, is in fact an automatic reponse to these Laws . We are Under these laws until we recognise and follow Christ ,and gain protection and insight, through the 'Holy Spirit' . 

I know this seems off the point of the thread, but this idea that God spends His time in Wrath is in my experiecne not true ,and the expression 'Under the law' is badly understood . 

 

As for the point of the thread ,it has to be the Banking System ,which is in the hands of the latter day pharisees ,who do follow God's law, (the Torah ), but that which they make up themselves ,and is called the talmud .

 

Thallasa that was really good.  Thank you.

[Guest Thallasa]

22 minutes ago, Sister said:

Thallasa that was really good.  Thank you.

 Thankyou  Sister  .  In the last part, I missed out the word 'not ' before Torah ,so must correct .

Edited June 6, 2017 by Thallasa

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Paul's "last trump" in indeed a trumpet, but his "last trump" is certainly not John's 7th trumpet. Neither is Paul's mystery the same mystery as John's in Rev. 10. However, I will agree, John's mystery will be solved when the 7th trumpet sounds.

 

Revelation 10: 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

 

There is only one mystery of God, it is the same mystery people have been asking for just over 2000 years, when is He coming?  The same mystery the verse clearly states He declared through the prophets.  Mystery is singular, prophets is plural, see the difference?  You are flipping the script and trying to make mystery plural and prophets singular, thus the confusion.

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Why does the Kingdoms get taken from Satan and given to Jesus at that point in time? Why not at the 7th seal? Why not at the 7th vial? Why not way back when Jesus conquered death and rose from the dead?

 

Ask Him, it is His plan, not mine.

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

By the way, where was Jesus great power before this? Why did He have to take it back? And was Jesus not "reigning: before this event?

 

God has given authority to the enemy to fulfill His purpose, as to why you should ask Him.  Jesus was not reigning with an iron scepter prior to this, scripture tells us that takes place upon His return.

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Will there actually be and earthquake and hail inside the temple of God in heaven?

 

No, John sees the temple opened in heaven, and then what follows is taking place on earth, you know this.

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Can you show us a verse where the dead are judged here in this chapter?

 

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Where is it accomplished in this chapter that God destroys those that destroy the earth?

 

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

 

God bless

[Sister]

1 hour ago, Thallasa said:

 Thankyou  Sister  .  In the last part, I missed out the word 'not ' before Torah ,so must correct .

Thanks for clarifying that.  You can edit your post if you havn't already done so, but I understood what you were saying and really enjoyed hearing it explained like that.

[iamlamad]

6 hours ago, wingnut- said:

Revelation 10: 7 but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

There is only one mystery of God, it is the same mystery people have been asking for just over 2000 years, when is He coming?  The same mystery the verse clearly states He declared through the prophets.  Mystery is singular, prophets is plural, see the difference?  You are flipping the script and trying to make mystery plural and prophets singular, thus the confusion.

Ask Him, it is His plan, not mine.

God has given authority to the enemy to fulfill His purpose, as to why you should ask Him.  Jesus was not reigning with an iron scepter prior to this, scripture tells us that takes place upon His return.

No, John sees the temple opened in heaven, and then what follows is taking place on earth, you know this.

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”

God bless

"There is only one mystery of God"  Sorry, you are simply mistaken.

Romans 11:25

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

 

Romans 16:25

Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

And what is Paul's mystery in this verse? He does not tell us here. But he does here:

Col. 1:²⁶ Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

²⁷ To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Eph 5:³² This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

And yet another:

Eph 3:² If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

³ How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

⁴ Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

⁵ Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

⁶ That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

And yet another:

Eph 6: ¹⁹ And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Paul writes of several others. Someone might say, "but these are no longer mysteries!" And they would be right, from the perspective of the church. But to the Jews, many of Paul's mysteries are still mysteries.

For this specific mystery, as recorded in Rev. 10: the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Do you think you know what this mystery is? I don't believe it is about His coming. There is no coming at the 7th trumept; neither is there a gathering. But there is a monumental event that happens: Satan suddenly is NO LONGER the god of this world. The kingdoms are taken from him and given to their rightful owner, Jesus Christ. The mystery is, HOW and WHY. 

Of course there is the Mystery of Babylon in Revelation. And there is a mystery involving the 7 thunders and the book John was to eat. So I disagree; there are many mysteries.

Ask Him, it is His plan, not mine.  ah! So it is still a mystery.

Revelation 11:19

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

 

It would SEEM like all this was in His temple, but John was seeing a vision. I agree, not in heaven. And probably not on earth at that point in time. Again I could say this part of John's vision was prophecy. We do know hail would come at the battle of Armageddon.

 

And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,  This is just a statement of time: not an actual event taking place. And it does not say they were judged, but "should be judged." It is one more reason why I say it is prophecy. But then, they are Aorist verbs that show no timing.

And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”   Again just a statement of fact. There is no hint that this is actually accomplished in this chapter.

If all these things were actually accomplished at their time of stating, John does not tell us.  And I do find these same things accomplished later on in the book. That is why I chose to call this prophecy.

Edited June 6, 2017 by iamlamad

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

For this specific mystery, as recorded in Rev. 10: the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.

Do you think you know what this mystery is? I don't believe it is about His coming.  

 

Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

 

That is the mystery of God my friend, not even Jesus knows this.  You can search the scriptures your whole life over and will not find the answer within.  Your references to other scriptures which contain the answer to the mystery aren't a mystery are they?  When you have the answer it is not a mystery.

 

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Of course there is the Mystery of Babylon in Revelation. 

 

It's not a mystery when you know what it is, are you not confident in the identity of Mystery Babylon?  The answers are in scripture, and you know yourself what it is enough to present it on this thread.  True we do not know what the seven thunders said, nor do we know what Daniel was told to seal up, but clearly we did not need to know it did we?  I don't consider them mysteries, simply something I don't need to know and I give it no thought at all.  This is also why you will never see me predicting a date in regards to His coming, because clearly we are not supposed to know this if Jesus doesn't even know it.  That is what is amusing about people who do try to set dates, as if they could figure out something Jesus doesn't even know.

God bless

[n2thelight]

15 hours ago, warrior12 said:

My issue with the harlot being a religious system of any kind is that the harlot seduces and affects the whole world, not only those who are religious.  Meaning all, will participate or seduced or tempted [in the case for belivers] to drink or taste her cup to be enticed to participate in her orgies, debauchery ect. Porn or sexual sins is an enslaving product of her wickedness, because she is very wicked and vile and it is an explosive product today the world has come to accept as normal. But nevertheless, but the stats are many christians  watch porn on saturday and are in church on sunday.  seventy percent [in the USA] is the figure, it is indeed alarming and worrying.  Just a little rant about porn there.

² With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication

The INHABITANTS of the earth [ every man] are forced or persuaded to be made drunk with the wine of her fornication.   It is a spiritual treasure that she captivates the world with and  men will kill for it.  More to be said about that.

Anyway, you are in the camp of a religious system being the harlot.  I am saying camp, because others have different views.  thanks for your insights. 

The first beast is a political system,(NWO)that will fall apart(deadly wound),satan as the antichrist will heal the wound.At that time it goes to a one world religious system with satan as it's head while pretending to be Christ.

That's the reason why it's a religious system. satan pretending to be Christ is the deception of which the tribulation is all about.

Daniel 8:23 "And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and under standing dark sentences, shall stand up."

Daniel 8:24 "And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy People."

The political beast will and has arrived first, and it will fall, Then Satan will come to earth with his fallen angels, and revive this beast, only then it will be the religious part of the beast that will be in power. It is religious because Satan is portrayed as the True Christ. "It shall come to pass!"

Daniel 8:25 "And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand."

If you are not sealed God will seen you a strong delusion to believe that lie(deception)

II Thessalonians 2:10 "And with all deceivableness [deceit] of unrighteousness in [for] them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth,"

II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion [send them a working of error], that they should a lie;"

If you want to believe a lie, God will allow it; in fact he will help you into the system of deceptions Satan will bring on the earth. Do you really think God will come here and personally show you, and talk to you when you refuse to believe His Word, when He gave it in such detail through the prophets and His Son. If you desire to believe that your going to fly out of here, and refuse His word, He will so block your mind that you will not be capable of understanding truth. God will send the "strong delusion" over your mind. The strong delusion is an act of love given by God for your protection.

Revelation 13:11 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

This is satan as the antichrist pretending to be the true Christ.

Revelation 13:13 "And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men."

Revelation 13:14 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles [signs] which he had power [it was given him] to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live."

In order to be damned you must follow satan on your own free will and all except for those who are sealed will....

[n2thelight]

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Edited June 7, 2017 by n2thelight