The Book of Enoch

[Sister]

On 8/3/2017 at 8:16 PM, other one said:

It's probably been 30 years since I read 3Enoch....    I decided not to give it much attention then.    I don't have what you are looking at so I can't really say it's the same or not.

This is 3Enoch:    https://archive.org/stream/HebrewBookOfEnochenoch3/BookOfEnoch3#page/n0/mode/1up

Other One

Thank you.  No I havn't read that one or even heard of it until you mentioned.  Some things seem sus, just by looking at it through a quick glance, ......like why is Ishmael's name mentioned?  Trying to work out what his part is supposed to be in this?  and a few other things seem odd.  Need to check out thoroughly when I get time. 

Thank you.

Edited August 5, 2017 by Sister

[other one]

19 minutes ago, Sister said:

Thank you.  No I havn't read that one or even heard of it until you mentioned.  Some things seem sus, just by looking at it through a quick glance, ......like why is Ishmael's name mentioned?  Trying to work out what his part is supposed to be in this?  and a few other things seem odd.  Need to check out thoroughly when I get time. 

Thank you.

I don't remember seeing Ishmael mentioned except for 3 Enoch and I really don't pay any attention to that book.  It's Jewish Kabbala-ism.  (kabbala-ism......   is that a word?)

[Sister]

On 8/3/2017 at 8:16 PM, other one said:

It's probably been 30 years since I read 3Enoch....    I decided not to give it much attention then.    I don't have what you are looking at so I can't really say it's the same or not.

This is 3Enoch:    https://archive.org/stream/HebrewBookOfEnochenoch3/BookOfEnoch3#page/n0/mode/1up

other one

I had a look, and I agree with you, that particular Enoch book does not seem right.  Thank you.  It seems a little Islamic orientated mixed in there also,...and I smell a rat!

  At least I know which Enoch book you are talking about now.

[Jude1:3]

Hello Everyone. I just wanted to show you all some quotes from the Early Church Fathers talking about The Book of Enoch. For me personally I believe 1 Enoch is legit scripture. I have no idea about 2nd and 3rd Enoch though.

 

Here's the quotes: (Long Read Ahead)

 

• Justin Marty wrote in his Second Apology

“But the angels transgressed this appointment, and were captivated by love of women, and begat children who are those that are called demons; and besides, they afterwards subdued the human race to themselves, partly by magical writings, and partly by fears and the punishments they occasioned, and partly by teaching them to offer sacrifices, and incense, and libations, of which things they stood in need after they were enslaved by lustful passions; and among men they sowed murders, wars, adulteries, intemperate deeds, and all wickedness. Whence also the poets and mythologists, not knowing that it was the angels and those demons who had been begotten by them that did these things to men, and women, and cities, and nations, which they related, ascribed them to god himself, and to those who were accounted to be his very offspring, and to the offspring of those who were called his brothers, Neptune and Pluto, and to the children again of these their offspring. For whatever name each of the angels had given to himself and his children, by that name they called them“. 

Justin Marty Second Apology

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0127.htm

 

•Tertullian and the Book of Enoch
Tertullian, an early church father and founder of Latin Christianity, wrote a few positive things concerning the Book of Enoch. Tertulian writes as follows in his 2nd century work, On the Apparel of Women I 3:1-3.

“I am aware that the Scripture of Enoch, which has assigned this order of action to angels, is not received by some, because it is not admitted into the Jewish canon either. I suppose they did not think that, having been published before the deluge, it could have safely survived that world-wide calamity, the abolisher of all things. If that is the reason for rejecting it, let them recall to their memory that Noah, the survivor of the deluge, was the great-grandson of Enoch himself; and he, of course, had heard and remembered, from domestic renown and hereditary tradition, concerning his own great-grandfather’s ‘grace in the sight of God,’ (Genesis 6:8) and concerning all his preachings; since Enoch had given no other charge to Methuselah than that he should hand on the knowledge of them to his posterity. Noah therefore, no doubt, might have succeeded in the trusteeship of his preaching; or, had the case been otherwise, he would not have been silent alike concerning the disposition of things made by God, his Preserver, and concerning the particular glory of his own house.
“If Noah had not had this conservative power by so short a route, there would still be this consideration to warrant our assertion of the genuineness of this Scripture: he could equally have renewed it, under the Spirit’s inspiration, after it had been destroyed by the violence of the deluge, as, after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Babylonian storming of it, every document of the Jewish literature is generally agreed to have been restored through Ezra.
“But since Enoch in the same Scripture has preached likewise concerning the Lord, nothing at all must be rejected by us which pertains to us; and we read that ‘every Scripture suitable for edification is divinely inspired.’ (2 Timothy 3:16) By the Jews it may now seem to have been rejected for that very reason, just like all the other portions nearly which tell of Christ. Nor, of course, is this fact wonderful, that they did not receive some Scriptures which spake of Him whom even in person, speaking in their presence, they were not to receive. To these considerations is added the fact that Enoch possesses a testimony in the Apostle Jude.” (Jude 1:14-15)

 

• Irenaeus, in his work The Proof of the Apostolic Preaching 18, records a condensed retelling of Enoch 6-8. He does this without directly citing the Book of Enoch, yet the citation here is unmistakable.

“And for a very long while wickedness extended and spread, and reached and laid hold upon the whole race of mankind, until a very small seed of righteousness remained among them: and illicit unions took place upon the earth, since angels were united with the daughters of the race of mankind; and they bore to them sons who for their exceeding greatness were called giants. And the angels brought as presents to their wives teachings of wickedness, in that they brought them the virtues of roots and herbs, dyeing in colours and cosmetics, the discovery of rare substances, love-potions, aversions, amours, concupiscence, constraints of love, spells of bewitchment, and all sorcery and idolatry hateful to God; by the entry of which things into the world evil extended and spread, while righteousness was diminished and enfeebled.”

http://torahdrivenlife.com/articles/enoch/the-church-fathers-and-the-book-of-enoch/

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2017 by Jude1:3

[Jude1:3]

These verses in Revelation make more sense in light of 1 Enoch 20:

 

 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

•Revelation 5:6

 

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the Seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
• Revelation 1:4-5

 

When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.  And I saw The Seven Angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

• Revelation 8:1-2


And these are the Names of The Holy Angels who watch.  Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who †takes vengeance on† the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ over chaos. . Saraqâêl, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.
• 1 Enoch 20


But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
• Hebrews 1:13-14

Edited September 19, 2017 by Jude1:3

[TheBride123]

10 hours ago, Jude1:3 said:

These verses in Revelation make more sense in light of 1 Enoch 20:

 

 And I looked, and behold, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as though it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the Seven Spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

•Revelation 5:6

 

John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the Seven Spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
• Revelation 1:4-5


And these are the Names of The Holy Angels who watch.  Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus. Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men. Raguel, one of the holy angels who †takes vengeance on† the world of the luminaries. Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he that is set over the best part of mankind ⌈⌈and⌉⌉ over chaos. . Saraqâêl, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit. Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim. Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.
• 1 Enoch 20


But to which of the angels has He ever said:
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?
• Hebrews 1:13-14

I also believe the seven spirits administer the 7 gifts of the Holy Spirit wisdom , understanding, counsel, fortitude , knowledge piety and fear of the Lord. Thank you for your post. I read some much on this forum, your post were refreshing. I never (not) investigate what I read. Seek , but test all spirits. God Bless.

[Jude1:3]

Some verses referring to "The Son of Man" in 1 Enoch:

 

And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of his glory,
And all evil shall pass away before his face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth
And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.

• 1 Enoch 69:29

 

 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:

This is the Son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever.

 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall †raise up† the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]

And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

• 1 Enoch 46:2-4

 

 

 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.

 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

 He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,
And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,
And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

 All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,
And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous;
For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous,
Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness,
And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits: p. 67
For in his name they are saved,
And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life.

• 1 Enoch 48:2-7

 

 

 

[Jude1:3]

More "Son of Man" references:

And there was great joy among them, and they blessed and honored and exalted, because the name of the Son of Man had been revealed unto them.
• 1 Enoch 69:26


And from that time on there will be nothing that will be destroyed, for he, the Son of Man, has appeared, and sits on the throne of his glory, and all wickedness will disappear before his face and depart; but the word of that Son of Man will be strong before the Lord of the spirits. This is the third Parable of Enoch.
•1 Enoch 69:2

[Guest shiloh357]

16 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said:

Some verses referring to "The Son of Man" in 1 Enoch:

 

And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of his glory,
And all evil shall pass away before his face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth
And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.

• 1 Enoch 69:29

 

 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that Son of Man, who he was, and whence he was, (and) why he went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:

This is the Son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever.

 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall †raise up† the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]

And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

• 1 Enoch 46:2-4

 

 

 And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits,
And his name before the Head of Days.

 Yea, before the sun and the signs were created,
Before the stars of the heaven were made,
His name was named before the Lord of Spirits.

 He shall be a staff to the righteous whereon to stay themselves and not fall,
And he shall be the light of the Gentiles,
And the hope of those who are troubled of heart.

 All who dwell on earth shall fall down and worship before him,
And will praise and bless and celebrate with song the Lord of Spirits.

 And for this reason hath he been chosen and hidden before Him,
Before the creation of the world and for evermore.

And the wisdom of the Lord of Spirits hath revealed him to the holy and righteous;
For he hath preserved the lot of the righteous,
Because they have hated and despised this world of unrighteousness,
And have hated all its works and ways in the name of the Lord of Spirits: p. 67
For in his name they are saved,
And according to his good pleasure hath it been in regard to their life.

• 1 Enoch 48:2-7

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jude1:3 said:

More "Son of Man" references:

And there was great joy among them, and they blessed and honored and exalted, because the name of the Son of Man had been revealed unto them.
• 1 Enoch 69:26


And from that time on there will be nothing that will be destroyed, for he, the Son of Man, has appeared, and sits on the throne of his glory, and all wickedness will disappear before his face and depart; but the word of that Son of Man will be strong before the Lord of the spirits. This is the third Parable of Enoch.
•1 Enoch 69:2

That suggests that the book of Enoch borrowed from the New Testament

[Jude1:3]

5 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

 

That suggests that the book of Enoch borrowed from the New Testament

The Book of Enoch Existed Before Christianity in 2nd Temple Judaism and fragments were found with The Dead Sea Scrolls 200-150 A.D.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/scrolls/scr3.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch

The Pre Christian Essenes used The book of Enoch:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes

 

Edited September 18, 2017 by Jude1:3