BobRyan Posted June 18, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2017 Rev 13 - the plan of the devil - his "end game" for mankind. Includes world-wide civil law enforcing his worship of the beast and image program. "The mark of the beast" given out to those who comply with it. Rev 14 the plan of God - his "end game - final warning" for mankind. Includes world-wide gospel warning against taking the mark of the beast then ends with the "reaping" of the saints at the second coming (Rapture) and the destruction "reaping" of the wicked that follows. In Rev 14:12 the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" As contrasted to the wicked who get the mark of the beast and are stuck in sin and rebellion. Breaking God's commandments. ======================= Question what forms of breaking God's commandments are common today? Abortion - SSM porn, adultery etc. Worship of pagan idols etc. All of them bad, all sin... and all are not future but rather have been around for 1000's of years. What then is "Future"? It is the Rev 13 CIVIL enforcement world-wide regarding one specific sin - the worship of the beast and his image. The end-time issue is worship according to Rev 13. If you think about it - this is the only sin among the ten commandments that governments and civil laws could possibly mandate that you do -- or else they would remove your ability to buy or sell or kill you. For example - they could never have a law saying "you must dishonor your parents or we will remove your ability to buy or sell". Same with adultery, murder, lying, stealing. There will never be a law saying "everyone must rob a bank or we will kill you"... ============================= Only one sin could be world-wide and enforced via civil law enforced by capital punishment-- and that is the sin of worshiping in some way in opposition to God's Commandments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted June 18, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) On 03/06/2017 at 10:47 AM, Fidei Defensor said: The Mark of Beast is perhaps one of the most terrifying Eschatological fact: "Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, 17 so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666." (Revelation 13:16-18). These verses have compelled people to think it shall be physical mark, a chip inserted into the body, the rags ISIS wears on their head and wrists that speak of Muhammed and their god. Others think that its symbolic, that taking the mark is a spiritual experience, where people will invite the Antichrist into their hearts (head, he dominating their minds and hearts) and mark on their hands is actions, doing work for Beast. For the right hand can mean authority, and power, position, not just literally right hand. Then there is the possibly that Mark of Beast is simply this, "From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him." (John 6:66). I open the floor to discussion. Hi Fidei Defensor. Firstly it's not an "it" that causes all to receive the Mark of the Beast, for it's a "he".....that enforces this mark....."he" is a "man" - the Son of Perdition,...whom God also calls "the False Prophet", and "the man of sin". Secondly, the Mark will not be "on" the right hand or "on" the forehead, but "in" the right hand or "in" the forehead. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Please consider this....because misinformation can lead us into error. Without the Mark, no man can buy or sell, so it's a completely new system this man will enforce. The microchip technology is inserted under the skin and is ready and waiting to go,...only this man will put the final touches to it, and be the one to "enforce" it upon us when God says it's time. The microchip is replacing cash and cards. Not only will it link us to all departments that hold our records, and keep a GPS tracker inside us, but the main purpose is to give us access to our bank accounts so we can live day to day. If we refuse to become a part of this new system, we starve. It's as simple as that. This is where our spirit has to rule over the flesh, even in times of hunger and this is where we cannot be like Esau who sold his birthright because he was hungry that day. Quote John 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him Exactly it will be like that! Edited June 18, 2017 by Sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 18, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 18, 2017 The "deer in the headlight" focuses on the "lights" and not the truck behind the lights. Bad idea. The Mark of the Beast is not about "avoiding a certain technology" it is about avoiding the type of worship that the beast demands all the world conform to. When Daniel's 3 friends were told to bow down to the image in Daniel 3 the "sin" is not "bowing" for all should be bowing down before God. The "sin" is also not "looking" where the king's men were "looking" to see who is bowing. It is not "the technology" nor even the ability to monitor that is the "sin". It is the "rule" the "context" in which the bowing is done - bowing to the great image and false god. It is the worship of the beast and his image that is the "sin" the exact "type of technology used" to monitor is not the sin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted June 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, BobRyan said: The "deer in the headlight" focuses on the "lights" and not the truck behind the lights. Bad idea. The Mark of the Beast is not about "avoiding a certain technology" it is about avoiding the type of worship that the beast demands all the world conform to. When Daniel's 3 friends were told to bow down to the image in Daniel 3 the "sin" is not "bowing" for all should be bowing down before God. The "sin" is also not "looking" where the king's men were "looking" to see who is bowing. It is not "the technology" nor even the ability to monitor that is the "sin". It is the "rule" the "context" in which the bowing is done - bowing to the great image and false god. It is the worship of the beast and his image that is the "sin" the exact "type of technology used" to monitor is not the sin. BobRyan That's right, it's what's behind the technology, and the Word tells us it's the devil using a kingdom, and a man to do his bidding with a new system. The whole idea, ....with all the frills and lace comes out of the bottomless pit. It's satan's plan to mark his children. Satan is the god of the material world, and his mark comes in a material form with all the info inside. The microchip not only represents the new system, but is the new system (of trade) and is Satan's way of stamping the children who belong to him. I agree with the example of Daniels friends and you are spot on! I can see it in this way; The only ones who will refuse the Mark of the Beast (microchip) are the Christians and some non-conformists. Many Christians without the chip will be under so much pressure, that if cornered with a gun to their head, they will bow to this image, same as the non conformists. Satan will try and catch them out this way also. Edited June 19, 2017 by Sister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fixerupper Posted June 20, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 430 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 131 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/20/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) On 6/18/2017 at 11:20 AM, Sister said: Quote Hi Fidei Defensor. Firstly it's not an "it" that causes all to receive the Mark of the Beast, for it's a "he".....that enforces this mark....."he" is a "man" - the Son of Perdition,...whom God also calls "the False Prophet", and "the man of sin". Secondly, the Mark will not be "on" the right hand or "on" the forehead, but "in" the right hand or "in" the forehead. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: The word "IN" is the word "ON." It's the word 'epi' and is translated ON more than it's translated 'IN'. The Greek interlinear translates the word 'epi' as ON in Rev. 13:16. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/rev13.pdf The ASV... ....that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; The Bible in Basic English... ....a mark on their right hand or on their brows; Common English Bible ...to have a mark put on their right hand or on their forehead. Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha ....to have a mark put on their right hand or on their forehead. The Complete Jewish bible. ...to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. Holman Christian Standard Bible ....to be given a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, The Darby transltion. ....that they should give them a mark upon their right hand or upon their forehead; The ESV. ....to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, Probably 80+ % of translations use the word ON which is the correct translation.http://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/13-16-compare.html I can't imagine how any false prophet of any kind from any religion could impose a mark worldwide where everyone would be required to accept it. How would one or two men accomplish such a thing? I believe the mark is limited to the 10/7 alliance of nations of the anti-Chris kingdom. Quote ...lease consider this....because misinformation can lead us into error. Without the Mark, no man can buy or sell, so it's a completely new system this man will enforce. The microchip technology is inserted under the skin and is ready and waiting to go,...only this man will put the final touches to it, and be the one to "enforce" it upon us when God says it's time. The microchip is replacing cash and cards. Not only will it link us to all departments that hold our records, and keep a GPS tracker inside us, but the main purpose is to give us access to our bank accounts so we can live day to day. If we refuse to become a part of this new system, we starve. It's as simple as that. This is where our spirit has to rule over the flesh, even in times of hunger and this is where we cannot be like Esau who sold his birthright because he was hungry that day. Micro-chip stuff comes from an array of prophecy experts who've been teaching that idea for decades. This mark or the anti-Christ kingdom isn't a global kingdom or system but limited to a 10/7 alliance of nations The 'right hand' has religious significance in Islam. Other than having to carry a Koran in your right hand, this is the mark.... Edited June 20, 2017 by fixerupper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted June 21, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) On 6/18/2017 at 9:48 PM, Sister said: BobRyan That's right, it's what's behind the technology, and the Word tells us it's the devil using a kingdom, and a man to do his bidding with a new system. The whole idea, ....with all the frills and lace comes out of the bottomless pit. It's satan's plan to mark his children. Satan is the god of the material world, and his mark comes in a material form with all the info inside. The microchip not only represents the new system, but is the new system (of trade) and is Satan's way of stamping the children who belong to him. I agree with the example of Daniels friends and you are spot on! I can see it in this way; The only ones who will refuse the Mark of the Beast (microchip) are the Christians and some non-conformists. Many Christians without the chip will be under so much pressure, that if cornered with a gun to their head, they will bow to this image, same as the non conformists. Satan will try and catch them out this way also. The mark of the beast "technology" is not the sin. The sin is "worship" of the beast and/or his image. The sign of "Approval" or compliance with that act of worship - is that you are given some "approval" or sign that you have agreed. Whether it is new currency, an unfrozen bank account, a national credit card, a biometric-fingerprint approval, a biometric eye-scan approval .... does not matter. Whatever form the technology takes -- does not matter. What matters as "sin" is the act of false worship. And Satan will not allow you to have that "sign of approval" without first conforming/complying with the requirements for getting it in the first place. This misplaced focus on "what technology will they use" is like Egyptians having a wrong-headed focus on "thin cows coming out of the Nile... how can we avoid the thin cows when they come out of the Nile River?" in Joseph's day. That would be the wrong focus for preparing for the drought that they symbolized. Edited July 19, 2017 by BobRyan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted June 23, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 23, 2017 On 6/18/2017 at 8:20 AM, Sister said: Hi Fidei Defensor. Firstly it's not an "it" that causes all to receive the Mark of the Beast, for it's a "he".....that enforces this mark....."he" is a "man" - the Son of Perdition,...whom God also calls "the False Prophet", and "the man of sin". Secondly, the Mark will not be "on" the right hand or "on" the forehead, but "in" the right hand or "in" the forehead. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: Please consider this....because misinformation can lead us into error. Without the Mark, no man can buy or sell, so it's a completely new system this man will enforce. The microchip technology is inserted under the skin and is ready and waiting to go,...only this man will put the final touches to it, and be the one to "enforce" it upon us when God says it's time. The microchip is replacing cash and cards. Not only will it link us to all departments that hold our records, and keep a GPS tracker inside us, but the main purpose is to give us access to our bank accounts so we can live day to day. If we refuse to become a part of this new system, we starve. It's as simple as that. This is where our spirit has to rule over the flesh, even in times of hunger and this is where we cannot be like Esau who sold his birthright because he was hungry that day. Exactly it will be like that! As with all topics of this nature, many different perspectives, views, and takes are presented by all who are here. Try to respect those please. Thank You and God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 On 23/06/2017 at 8:25 AM, Fidei Defensor said: As with all topics of this nature, many different perspectives, views, and takes are presented by all who are here. Try to respect those please. Thank You and God bless. Thank you but I thought you wanted a discussion? I pointed out that a view can be majorly distorted when the bible is tampered with, even slightly, changing one word. The Mark of the beast will be "in" the right hand or "in" the forehead. You cannot buy and sell without this mark being inserted "in" the body. It needs to be loud and clear, and simple as possible that this is how the beast will do it. THE RFID CHIP implanted into us. For the love of God and the truth, lets warn our brothers and sisters and everybody walking the earth not to acccept this chip without all the confusion for it is the Mark of the Beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 165 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 3,997 Content Per Day: 1.57 Reputation: 2,607 Days Won: 15 Joined: 04/29/2017 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 Yesterday, CBN News covered that the chip implant has just been used by corporations and is becoming popular in citiies for companies to implant in their hand. They showed the device, and its on the hand, near thump and index finger. This is being touted as next step in technology, where you don't carry a smartphone around or any devices, but instead have a chip implant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted June 24, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.04 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted June 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Fidei Defensor said: Yesterday, CBN News covered that the chip implant has just been used by corporations and is becoming popular in citiies for companies to implant in their hand. They showed the device, and its on the hand, near thump and index finger. This is being touted as next step in technology, where you don't carry a smartphone around or any devices, but instead have a chip implant. Thank you. I looked for that article but couldn't find it on the net. I am so sure it is very close, ....and the fact they put it on the news is to warm us up to the idea and get the world mentally prepared for a big change coming, but it's the Son of Perdition who will enforce it on all. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2 Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. This will include "Christians" who give only lip service. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: (All = all people of the earth) A new global system every nation will have to join. Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. If you can't buy food, you starve - simple And if we havn't starved and are homeless, we will be a nuisance on society. We will be the Outcasts, viewed as the filth of the world. They will remove us and take us into their camps, out of mind, out of sight. In these camps they will do whatever they like to us. Many will be killed, the rest used as slaves. Are we mentally and spiritually prepared to go through this for our Lords sake is the question? Will we accept the Mark of the Beast so that we can eat and prolong our life another day? ....Just like Esau did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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